Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[ND]

Wait why wouldn't Yav want me to be shot?????

[Foxcastle]

(With apologies to Lorde... And I hope DemonRHK doesn't mind me creeping in on the Toon Town music scene, but it kinda just came to me...)

I've never seen a PR in the flesh
I cut my teeth on counterclaims during Night Phase,
And I'm not proud of my game press, in this new forum
My scum read's crazy...

But everybody's like gun claim, Brain Bomb, tripping in the QT
Millers, Watchers, tunnelin' like Balki
We don't care, we're lynching Witches like a dream

But everybody's like Hooker, Stalker, Gunsmith still in hiding
Lurkers, Thief's dead, what wagon are you riding?
We don't care, we're not caught up in your scum affair...

And we'll never be townclear (townclear!)
It don't don't run in our blood
That kind of looks just not for us
Vanilla Townie kinda sucks
Let me be your leader (leader!), you can all just sheep me
And baby we'll roll (we'll roll! we'll roll! we'll roll!)
5 for 5 on the scum team

[bo_sox48]

This is hilarious.

I'm not changing my vote because yav is dropping turds left and right, but it's pretty clear that ND is getting lynched unless some of the lurkers comes in and try to change things. I hope he's scum. I might check in tonight; otherwise, I'm working most of the day tomorrow and all day Monday, so I'll be sparse.

ND, if you've changed your mind about taking one for the team, you know where your vote should go.

[reedeer1]

I may sound crazy, but it is possible that they are all scum looking to kill off two scum to town clear the other one in hopes that they can ride the town clear. It is also possible that Demon and Yuav re both scum along the same lines, but I have no idea if this is true, just something to think about.

[ND]

As much as it pains me to do this.. Bo is right here. If Yav is telling the truth why did he just say not to shoot me? Doesn't add up. Yav is fishy.

##VOTE yavuzovic

[bo_sox48]

##CALL GM - are there any available replacements or are we currently looking at two modkills?

[thamrick]

Lol meme came on and asked for a summary. But couldn't be bothered to even meet the posting requirements...

Losing Vash could hurt a lot too.

[ND]

Meme will eventually flip scum or win as scum. Guarantee it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Hey -- just caught up.

So, I have a different take on this.

We have a Scum Fake Claimer in our midst. It's DemonRHK or Yavuz. We really need to know which person is real and which person is fake.

Here's why: We are in the lead, and we have a big advantage right now. Because we have a living Watcher, Cop, and Nurse, we can set up our PRs to protect each other, if they know who each other are. But if there is a fake claimer alive, only Scum will know who is real. That means they get an easy shot on a critical PR.

If we lynch ND, we may not learn who is real between DemonRHK and Yavuz. If ND flips miller or scum, we'll still have an unknown stand-off between Yavuz and DemonRHK. And I would argue that it is very likely that ND is either Miller (found by Stalker or Yavuz is real) or Scum (sacrificed to out Town PRs or Yavuz is real).

For that reason, I think we should lynch between Yavuz and DemonRHK. Two reasons. (1) This will be useful because it changes an automatic lynch that scum can hide on, into a decision between fake-claiming scum and a town PR. I'd be interested to evaluate those wagons after the flip. (2) It means we'll know the fake claimer going into the night, and the Nurse and real Watcher (if it isn't DemonRHK) will be on the correct people.

TLDR: I think ND is almost certainly either Miller or Scum. Lynching him likely won't tell us who is telling the truth and who is lying.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Am here. So RHK claimed watcher, yavuz claimed cop and said ND is scum and what about ND? Has he said anything

[Balki Bartokomous]

Between Yavuz and Demon, I'm thinking that Demon is probably telling the truth, and Yvuz is probably lying. I've found Demon to be very townie, ever since my early exchange with him on the first few pages of the game. His play has been characterized by aggression and activity. He pushes reads and moves us forward.

Yavuz seems a lot like a fake claimer to me. He is less experienced, and he seems like the sort of person that the mafia team might sacrifice in order to out the Cop. Also, his claim came second, and it wouldn't surprise me if Yavuz did not fully think through his claim. He did not have in mind the fact that Demon had already said he visited Brain on night 1, which would have meant that Yavuz's claim could have only been foiled by Real Cop coming to light.

I also want to say, if Yavuz is a scum fake-claimer, they probably did it for a couple of reasons. (1) They need to find cop, or their screwed, and (2) I think town was probably very much on the right track in finding a third member of the Scum team (e.g., MLQ).

##vote Yavuz

[Balki Bartokomous]

Am here. So RHK claimed watcher, yavuz claimed cop and said ND is scum and what about ND? Has he said anything

ND claims VT/Miller

[yavuzovic]

Calm down, I want to use the gun on another person. Why should we waste it, ND will die anyway.

[yavuzovic]

Stop that, I won't be here until tomorrow due to timezones. I don't want to be lynched when I wake up.

[VashtaNeurotic]

This is ridiculous, all of it. Like it makes no sense to out as real cop, makes no sense to out as the stalker. This makes no sense.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Who was the lead wagon when yavuz claimed?

[Balki Bartokomous]

It also occurs to me, if Yavuz is indeed the Cop, there is a True Watcher around who knows that Yavuz is telling the truth and DemonRHK is lying. If we are about to lynch Yavuz, and Yavuz is in fact the real Cop, that would obviously be worth having the Real Watcher surface and say "DON'T LYNCH COP, LYNCH DEMONRHK!" Right?

So we can get close to lynching Yavuz, and if nobody stops us, we must be right. Right?

Really should work either way. If we get close to lynching DemonRHK, and we're wrong, there should be a Real Cop undercover who could come forward and say "STOP, DON'T LYNCH REAL WATCHER!"

[Balki Bartokomous]

Who was the lead wagon when yavuz claimed?

MLQ, in a runaway.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Wait how would a true watcher know yavuz is telling the truth? They would only know RHK is lying.

[Foxcastle]

At 7:11 to go, Yavuz claimed after Tham voted him (moving off Mean), putting the wagons at 2 rdr, 2 Mea, 1 ND, 1 yav