But that is not what he said or meant. You can see that he explicitly meant the in person crowd size because of the way Sean Spicer defended it:ND wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:01 pmLet's dissect this.
1. His crowd probably was the biggest ever. Perhaps not in person on the national mall, but when you factor in streaming services.. yes it was. Like, I was planning on going, but it was raining and I didn't want to drive to D.C. so I livestreamed it. So, yeah he is telling the truth on that point.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... trics-don/
Snopes goes into more detail explaining TV audiences were less than Obama's and there is no evidence that streaming numbers were higher:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... iewership/
I don't understand - why would you even try and defend this lie as it is so blatant? At least Octavious will accept that sometimes Trump lies like this, but he argues that what he lies about isn't important. Why is holding onto this obvious lie so important to you?
Throughout the campaign a big theme of his campaign was to demonize immigrants and demonize muslims. There is a **big difference** between saying some people in Palestine cheered 9/11 and muslims in NJ cheered 9/11 from the rooftops. In the first case, we know many people overseas don't like the US so whilst it is sad it isn't a surprise that some people may have cheered it (especially since the US is a strong supporter of Israel). In the second case, Trump is claiming that Muslims (many being US citizens) are largely all traitors. That is quite a nasty and very divisive thing to say, especially without a shred of evidence. Given how it was consistent with his campaign, I would argue he knew exactly what he was doing.2. Not sure about the muslims in NJ cheering during 9/11. It's possible because I do remember when I was young hearing something about that. Not sure, so that's a 50/50 I think. If he is lying it's not intentional. He probably just mixed up where they were cheering because there is documented evidence that some people in the Middle East did cheer the attacks. I remember that footage for sure.
Can you provide some examples on how Obama was worse than Trump? If anything Obama's problem was that he was too idealistic, he believed that if everyone sat around the circle and sang kumbaya he could solve problems when others in the past failed. He was wrong.3. Your last point isn't about a 'lie' it's about President's entering the fray. Well, that has always happened. In a modern context it started with Obama who was an extreme partisan that routinely insulted and demeaned Republicans. Obama was way worse then Trump in this regard.
Where have you been? He claimed that Democrats were artificially inflating the Puerto Rico death toll to make him look bad. He said that China created the Global Warming hoax to attack US competitiveness. He claimed that democrats were trying to steal the election in Florida to try to disrupt vote counting (he also claimed voters were wearing disguises). Ted Cruz's father was involved in JFK's killing. Several million illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. Obama's birth certificate, Vince Foster's death. And this is just off the top of my head.4. Conspiracy theories? Not sure where you are going with that one.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but democracy doesn't function if we can't at least agree on what reality is.