Mafia Invitational - Welcome to Wakanda

[Ezio]

@Balki
@Vecna
@Xorxes
@Ghug

How do you all read Damian right now?

[ghug]

TBH I haven't read the last ten pages so I have no clue

[Ezio]

K get back to me once you know. Also, tell me why I wasn't allowed to be lynched yesterday?

[ghug]

K get back to me once you know. Also, tell me why I wasn't allowed to be lynched yesterday?

I townread you

[ghug]

K get back to me once you know. Also, tell me why I wasn't allowed to be lynched yesterday?

I townread you

Nobody else has done fuck all to get townread, and that annoys me.

[Ezio]

K get back to me once you know. Also, tell me why I wasn't allowed to be lynched yesterday?

I townread you

Nobody else has done fuck all to get townread, and that annoys me.

So I'm your only townread at the moment, or just your strongest townread?

[bozotheclown]

This is weird. Mafia have a day kill?
There is a Mafia Vigilante or a town Vig? And why Tom?

ND was a null and I still don´t sense Squigs being scum saved, so I don´t think it was a great EOD.

What would make you think Squigs was scum saved?

I said I don't think Squigs was scum saved. Maybe I phrased it badly.
I need a break from Mafia, see you tomorrow.

I know you said you did not think Squigs was being scum saved, I was asking what it would take for you to think he was.

[Foxcastle]

Sorry I missed EOD. I overestimated my ability to catch up with people I used to work with and also check vote counts...

For what it's worth after the fact*, I would have probably voted for Squigs if I had been present. I was comfortable with a Damian lynch, but Squigs was an actual scumread over an effective null on ND.

*It's worth very little.

[ghug]

Jesus Christ I scumread everyone.

[Ezio]

Ok bois. We have way too many prolific posters for everyone to be so damn quiet.

[Ezio]

Like,
Foxcastle, Damian, Flum, Vecna, Xorxes...
Where are you all? You can't ALL be scum and trying to avoid attention? Are we just all trying shitty new metas?

[bozotheclown]

I know how it looks scum reading Squigs and damian after they voted for me, and I was not even serious with my scum read of damian, but there was nothing with how the EOD went that mitigates the possibility of a Squigs/damian scum pair.

[Squigs44]

I know how it looks scum reading Squigs and damian after they voted for me, and I was not even serious with my scum read of damian, but there was nothing with how the EOD went that mitigates the possibility of a Squigs/damian scum pair.

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[Squigs44]

Flum's vote on ND:

##Vote ND
Willing to switch to Ezio

Later explanation of vote:

ND has so far thrown a bunch of shade, and voted Squiggs when his wagon was getting pretty big. The closer to deadline it's getting and the more likely squiggs will get lynched, the more confident he seems to be getting on his vote.

This seems like lazy scum to me.

Flum's reasoning here isn't actually true. ND wasn't getting more confident in his vote as time went on. In fact, pretty much all of ND's push on me was before his vote. Why are you mischaracterizing ND here?

I'm voting for ND because his vote for Squiggs and the progression of his thought process for that vote didn't seem genuine at all.

What separated ND's thought process of voting me from Fox's or Tom's?

[bozotheclown]

I know how it looks scum reading Squigs and damian after they voted for me, and I was not even serious with my scum read of damian, but there was nothing with how the EOD went that mitigates the possibility of a Squigs/damian scum pair.

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What does this mean?

[Squigs44]

Re-read ND. It was a short read.
Is there a case against him, because I'm really not seeing much either way? If lazy scum is his meta (apparently it isn't?) I'd buy it.

With that said. I don't love the ND train as an alternate wagon, because it sprung up suddenly right after he said he couldn't be on for EOD.

Another hedgy post, but you have a point. Trying to start a wagon on ND at last hour with him stating he won´t be online is scummy to me.

Another hedgy post, but you have a point. Trying to start a wagon on ND at last hour with him stating he won´t be online is scummy to me.

Who is scummier, Flum or Vecna?

On this, I think Flum, as I don´t remember him talking about ND before. Vecna was already saying he didn´t like the wagons and want to start a new one on me or ND.

And for the record, I don´t have a town read on ND, just don´t have anything that stroke me as scummy and find weird the voting on him started after he leaved.

Between ND and Squigs
##vote ND

This is weird. Mafia have a day kill?
There is a Mafia Vigilante or a town Vig? And why Tom?

ND was a null and I still don´t sense Squigs being scum saved, so I don´t think it was a great EOD.

Rdrivera's progression and interactions here seem a bit contradictory. He thinks that starting a wagon on ND was scummy, and thinks that voting ND without previously scumreading him is scummy. Then he himself votes ND at a pivotal time with him being a null read (granted he explains that as the best choice between the two wagons).
The kicker is what he says after the flip. He says he doesn't think I was scum saved, which would mean that he doesn't think the ND wagon was scummy. This seems contradictory to his earlier position.
@Rdrivera - was the ND wagon scummy or not?

[Squigs44]

I know how it looks scum reading Squigs and damian after they voted for me, and I was not even serious with my scum read of damian, but there was nothing with how the EOD went that mitigates the possibility of a Squigs/damian scum pair.

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What does this mean?

It means I am at a loss for words. I tried all of D1 to get you to give me something more than a single scumread on me, and finally you gave a scumread on damo (after he voted for you).
Then the first thing you do D2 is rescind your scumread of damo, and say nevermind, it was a joke.

Would you classify your own play as anti-town?

[Squigs44]

Ghug's push on me was weaker than he usually pushes. He didn't seem committed at all.
Ghug, why aren't you leading as much as you usually do?

[Squigs44]

TLDR:
Mediocre scumhunters aren't going to solve this game like they can normal games because everyone in this game is (at the very least) solid. There will likely be fewer easy to follow connections. As a result it's significantly more important to keep the good scumhunters alive than in a regular game.

This is not to say only lynch the bad players, but it is important to weigh the scumhunting potential more heavily than in a normal game.

Everyone was saying Ezio's idea was bad, that we shouldn't lynch players based on the end game. Then this happened:

ND as town has limited influences on the game, his reads generally arent stellar, but his townplay is often recognizable. but he is a big danger that often endgames if scum. I dont see any problem with taking a small gamble on that here.

The gamble on ND being the scum deep threat is probably the best argument you've made thus far. But I'm not sure if I believe it because I don't know ND's playstyle that well.

I think you're right about Squig being a better town asset and easier to read later if he's faking. Fine. ##vote ND

Even this from ghug:

ND's shit I'm ok with that I guess.

Those that were criticizing Ezio's idea: Do you think that either Vecna or damo were being scummy in their logic of voting ND?

[bozotheclown]

...

What does this mean?

It means I am at a loss for words. I tried all of D1 to get you to give me something more than a single scumread on me, and finally you gave a scumread on damo (after he voted for you).
Then the first thing you do D2 is rescind your scumread of damo, and say nevermind, it was a joke.

Would you classify your own play as anti-town?

I did not say it was a joke, I wanted to see how he would react.