War, what is it good for?

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

I am not posting this in support of Saddam or Gaddafi. But I AM saying that chaotic regime removal increases overall harm. If in doubt, the west should entirely FUCK OFF.

With the notable one off principled exception of Israel lol?

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

The lessons of history are that Western Imperialism is fucking shit and leads to chaos and death.

Would preventing Iran from getting nukes be imperialist?

Iran interferes an awful lot in Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, etc. Are they imperialist?

None of this seems to engage with the question of the day—what to do (or not) about Iran's nuclear ambitions now that a long-awaited Israel-Iran war has started.

[CaptainFritz28]

I am not posting this in support of Saddam or Gaddafi. But I AM saying that chaotic regime removal increases overall harm. If in doubt, the west should entirely FUCK OFF.

With the notable one off principled exception of Israel lol?

Oh, I don't think Jamie has any doubt about that.

[yavuzovic]

I believe that Iran deserves to disregard external warnings concerning its nuclear program, given that Israel is already a nuclear-armed state. Israel is one of the most aggressive governments in the world. Fairly, there should be either mutual assured destruction to deter anyone from using a nuke, or no nukes at all (second one is more pleasant to me). If Western powers wish to convince Iran to not pursue nuclear weapons, they should start with convincing Israel to remove nuclear arms first. Anything else will be biased, and without the enforcing power behind them, are just a joke to the fair mind.

[CaptainFritz28]

As Bert denoted, Israel does have the threat of mutually assured destruction, from Pakistan. They also have a whole subcontinent who'd like them destroyed.

[Octavious]

Ukraine chose no nukes at all, and I don't think that their experience was particularly pleasant.

[yavuzovic]

As Bert denoted, Israel does have the threat of mutually assured destruction, from Pakistan. They also have a whole subcontinent who'd like them destroyed.

Okay that's Israel's perspective. Now see Iran's. While I can't speak of their relationship with Pakistan, because I lack knowledge, they usually don't get along well with Sunni countries enough to depend on Pakistani nukes.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am not posting this in support of Saddam or Gaddafi. But I AM saying that chaotic regime removal increases overall harm. If in doubt, the west should entirely FUCK OFF.

With the notable one off principled exception of Israel lol?

If you think that the West has been leaving Israel alone you really haven't been paying attention.