Trump planning to end law and rule as supreme dictator

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

March 2025 – NBC News Interview: In a telephone interview, Trump stated he was "not joking" about seeking a third term and mentioned, "There are methods which you could do it." He added that many people were encouraging him to run again, though he emphasized he was focused on his current administration.

January 2025 – Remarks to House Republicans: During a speech to Republican lawmakers, Trump mused about the possibility of running again, saying, "I think I'm not allowed to run again. I'm not sure. Am I allowed to run again?"

April 2025 – "Trump 2028" Merchandise: Trump's organization began selling "Trump 2028" hats with the tagline "Rewrite the rules," signaling a potential interest in a third term and encouraging supporters to consider the idea.

Trump's allies have also actively explored avenues to enable a third term.

Representative Andy Ogles introduced a resolution proposing a constitutional amendment to allow presidents who have served two non-consecutive terms to seek a third term.

Steve Bannon, a former White House chief strategist and influential figure in the MAGA movement, has been actively promoting the concept of a third term for Trump. Operating from his Arizona villa and Washington townhouse, Bannon continues to shape the MAGA movement, largely through his influential podcast “War Room,”

It's possible we disagree about what the bulk of this evidence suggests. I accept the critique that Trump has not been the loudest-possible champion of a third term. I reject the idea that it he and his team haven't tested the water on this issue.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

All this is so much less interesting and important than the original topic of this thread — the admin is trying to find a nonsense legal justification to detain Americans without due process, partly to justify the detentions they've already done without even bothering to establish a pretense ...

I couldn't disagree more. There is no mileage in the original topic. It's a bad idea, everyone agrees, the end. The only disagreement of any note is how likely we think it will actually happen, but time will answer that question for us. If the thread hadn't branched out it would have ceased to be active some time ago, possibly to be revived briefly by the musings of the good Major or some Brainbomb satire

No one is making you participate in these conversations Oct lol. I used to appreciate hearing an interesting dissenting opinion from you - lately it seems you're just circling the wagons on ideas you agree are bad just to be a contrarian, or in service of your "everyone else is hysterical" worldview.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

^ Also it's not certain that everyone agrees with the point that Trump's approach to suspending habeus corpus is a bad idea. The only confirmed Webdip Trump voter hasn't weighed in. I do wonder what the rhetoric is among conservatives in Texas, but I can't beg a busy university student to waste their time indulging my curiosity (and exposing themselves to being berated by Jamie )

[Octavious]

No one is making you participate in these conversations Oct lol. I used to appreciate hearing an interesting dissenting opinion from you - lately it seems you're just circling the wagons on ideas you agree are bad just to be a contrarian,

In what way am I circling wagons? It used to be commonplace, when discussing relatively weighty matters, to make an attempt to place them in context and examine the arguments in favour and against. Being something of a traditionalist that is what I endeavour to do. And yet ever time I do so with anything Trump related, even in the case of the opening topic of this thread when I came down decisively on the side of Trump being in the wrong, you pick out everything that isn't painting Trump as the great Satan and accuse me of supporting him. It is utterly ludicrous and increasingly tedious. You seem to have taken the view that unless your argument consists entirely of anti Trump rhetoric then you are in favour of him, and I reject that utterly

in service of your "everyone else is hysterical" worldview

Everyone else in the context of webDip is 80% Jamie. And he is hysterical, yes.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

I asked GPT to succinctly summarize your earlier argument, which I think it mostly got right: "The speaker is wary of suspending habeas corpus without dire need but not strongly opposed. They see it as useful but not essential, and doubt Trump’s plans will lead to anything serious."

Maybe it would have been more polite and engaging of me to ask questions about the details of your thinking here, but I'm also not particularly interested in what looks like your attempt to downplay the seriousness of this issue even if you ultimately agree it's problematic. When I read serious outlets reporting "President Donald Trump reiterated that he'd like to send US citizens who commit violent crimes to prison in El Salvador" I don't feel a strong need to both-sides the issue. To me, the already-perpetrated kidnappings constitute a very serious issue. Anything less than condemnation does indeed feel like apologia or sane-washing.

[Octavious]

Fair enough. Personally I find that the domestic policy of foreign nations is quite low down on the list of things that concern me. Whether Trump makes any changes or not (and I'm still very much leaning towards not) won't have any impact on me nor anyone I care about. A low likelihood of a minimal impact event isn't going to keep me up at night. And in the wider context of bad things that happen to foreigners it doesn't even make the top 100 list. That's not to say it isn't interesting, but it's not something I'd be motivated to try and do anything about.

Of course issuing a condemnation on webDip is as close to doing nothing as makes no difference, so maybe our positions aren't so far apart

[CaptainFritz28]

^ Also it's not certain that everyone agrees with the point that Trump's approach to suspending habeus corpus is a bad idea. The only confirmed Webdip Trump voter hasn't weighed in. I do wonder what the rhetoric is among conservatives in Texas, but I can't beg a busy university student to waste their time indulging my curiosity (and exposing themselves to being berated by Jamie )

Meh, finals was last week; I've got a bit of time to waste.

First, I should note that the first that I have heard of this was this thread. So as far as the rhetoric among Texans goes I'm afraid I can't help you. My interest in politics recently has been seeing the occasional headline and reading the story behind it. Tariffs became a big deal in the news, but the price of groceries and gas hasn't changed up or down here so for me it personally has had no effect yet. This semester my studies have been busier than last, so I've had to lower my priority of being knowledgeable on world events and political news, for better or worse. Hence, I've been on here less lately. I should probably get back into being a little more informed now that I've got a bit more time.

As far as this story goes, my opinion doesn't differ from common sense. It's not a good idea to suspend habeus corpus. That's one of the things I take issue with having briefly studied Lincoln's presidency, so why should I not take issue with Trump's presidency if they do the same thing? Illegal immigrants should get due process just like everyone else. Will it happen? can it happen? I don't know, but there's not a darned thing I can do about it that's worth my time, so I won't worry about it any more than knowing what has been said by whom and what it would mean.

I know, I know. No contentious counter-opinion from me, sorry.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Personally I find that the domestic policy of foreign nations is quite low down on the list of things that concern me.

The problem is, without due process, the Trump admin can't even be sure that these policies only target foreign nationals. Moreover, Trump has said his intention is to expand the suspension of habeas corpus to US citizens, and Steven Miller is actively trying to achieve this rather horrifying goal.

[CaptainFritz28]

Totally random note, entirely distinct of the subject, but of interest nonetheless (in my opinion): If you've never listened to it, I suggest taking a look at Bruckner's 9th Symphony, particularly the first movement. Starts off a bit slow, but it gets rather interesting especially about 17 minutes in.

Sorry, I've just been listening to that piece and I couldn't help but share. I've no idea if any of y'all even care for that era of music, but I think it's cool.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Personally I find that the domestic policy of foreign nations is quite low down on the list of things that concern me.

The problem is, without due process, the Trump admin can't even be sure that these policies only target foreign nationals. Moreover, Trump has said his intention is to expand the suspension of habeas corpus to US citizens, and Steven Miller is actively trying to achieve this rather horrifying goal.

I realize I misread "nations" as "nationals" and misinterpreted Oct's point. Sorry for that.

[CaptainFritz28]

Personally I find that the domestic policy of foreign nations is quite low down on the list of things that concern me.

The problem is, without due process, the Trump admin can't even be sure that these policies only target foreign nationals. Moreover, Trump has said his intention is to expand the suspension of habeas corpus to US citizens, and Steven Miller is actively trying to achieve this rather horrifying goal.

In regards to that second bit, I really would like to know what particularly he plans to do about what he calls "homegrowns." I do not like the idea of American prisoners in foreign prisons.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Personally I find that the domestic policy of foreign nations is quite low down on the list of things that concern me.

The problem is, without due process, the Trump admin can't even be sure that these policies only target foreign nationals. Moreover, Trump has said his intention is to expand the suspension of habeas corpus to US citizens, and Steven Miller is actively trying to achieve this rather horrifying goal.

In regards to that second bit, I really would like to know what particularly he plans to do about what he calls "homegrowns." I do not like the idea of American prisoners in foreign prisons.

The plan is, thankfully, rather unpopular: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52094-what-do-americans-believe-about-kilmar-abrego-garcia

Still, about 1-in-5 polled Republicans believe the government should have the right to detain US citizens indefinitely in prisons in foreign countries.

[CaptainFritz28]

Still, about 1-in-5 polled Republicans believe the government should have the right to detain US citizens indefinitely in prisons in foreign countries.

*facepalm*

[Pennsta7]

But,

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/may/25/trump-american-democracy

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/26/opinion/memorial-day-democracy-crisis.html

[Jamiet99uk]

Don't know why you said "but".

These articles confirm what I was saying from the start.