M1036 Flipless Coven Hunt I Game Thread

[Krr1ss]

The point is, it's fine to callout someone on differences between their town and scum meta as that indeed can be alignment indicative. It's also alright to think that someone is a "frozen" wolf or a wolf letting the thread be "town eat town".

It's not alright to say that low inactivity automatically means that someone is scummy cuz that's just not true.

I am discussing mafia theory here and still backreading but this stuck out to me. I get that you believe this wholehearedly but it's wrong xD

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Thanks



Brother I had played so many games where town coasted idk where you are getting this info from. It's literally dependant on irl schedule as well as motivation and playstyle. Some people just don't like sitting on a mafia thread 24/7 and that's fine.

Also bolded part makes sense only if you are a frozen top wagon who is in anti-spew which after a small check shows that it's you?

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discussion is good and pro-town

That doesn't change the fact that if you aren't very active that you are scum? It depends on whether it's reflecting someone's town-play and if it doesn't then it may be eye rising but otherwise town can coast just fine? Like, it may not be as pro-town but like, not everyone is going to write 150 posts daily and it's fine to accept that fact

now you're just twisting what I said. I said that scum are more likely to have low participation, not that they always do.

[Krr1ss]

Is there a way to link posts here or smth btw? Will make my backreading much easier

[Krr1ss]

???
discussion is good and pro-town

That doesn't change the fact that if you aren't very active that you are scum? It depends on whether it's reflecting someone's town-play and if it doesn't then it may be eye rising but otherwise town can coast just fine? Like, it may not be as pro-town but like, not everyone is going to write 150 posts daily and it's fine to accept that fact

now you're just twisting what I said. I said that scum are more likely to have low participation, not that they always do.

I didn't mean "You said that every coaster is scum" but: "You said that coasting is scum indicative" as proven below:

nope, coasting is scummy

[miminena]

easily possible, although haven't considered it much myself yet

Well now I am asking you to think about it.

I would like to know if anyone thinks Dip's theory is likely.

okay i will

so obviously chomps is gravedigger

dw is very right that he was lurking heavily d1, but butter said that he tends to do that either way. @krr1ss since you seem to know him pls corroborate what butter said. we know from experience with red that lurking does not necessarily equal scum. as for him looking for the poe, it existed, and he confirmed that it existed when it was found. what incentive would a scum chomps have to say someone might be scum based off a poe they don't have on hand that makes it more likely than a town chomps? this just seems low effort, not necessarily agendad. his reaction to dw's vote and subsequent omgus also seem towny imo.

as for the will side of things, i really think will was acting weird d1. he was pushing against pairings and not actually making any reads or giving any information. i'm not necessarily surprised he is scum but, admittedly, this is weak enough that i am a bit suspicious of chomps.

overall i think it's about a 2/3 chance that chomps is truthful, and a nonnegligible 1/3 that he is lying.

as for pairings, i find it interesting that chomps broke a tie and it possibly indicates a town judge and yavuz as scum if chomps is scum

if napoleoff is paired with chomps and will is town yavuz is town

bunny could be scum and has been a bit weird today, so possibly paired with chomps but i don't see it the way dw seems to. he is also likely unpaired with napoleoff

everybody off of the will wagon is still implicated by the damo kill and i still think there's likely at least one, probably exactly one, out of them in a will town world

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

That doesn't change the fact that if you aren't very active that you are scum? It depends on whether it's reflecting someone's town-play and if it doesn't then it may be eye rising but otherwise town can coast just fine? Like, it may not be as pro-town but like, not everyone is going to write 150 posts daily and it's fine to accept that fact

now you're just twisting what I said. I said that scum are more likely to have low participation, not that they always do.

I didn't mean "You said that every coaster is scum" but: "You said that coasting is scum indicative" as proven below:

nope, coasting is scummy

"scummy" is not absolute. If someone is "scummy" they are more likely to be scum.

[Krr1ss]

now you're just twisting what I said. I said that scum are more likely to have low participation, not that they always do.

I didn't mean "You said that every coaster is scum" but: "You said that coasting is scum indicative" as proven below:

nope, coasting is scummy

"scummy" is not absolute. If someone is "scummy" they are more likely to be scum.

And I am saying that it's alright for you to believe that but that's not true. To be precise, coasting is not scummy but several other categories which may be misunderstood as coasting may be, such as: "Frozen wolf", "Wolf who is intentionally letting town eat town", "Anti-spew wolf" etcetc

[miminena]

I haven't been doing much of that today.

You are arousing my suspicions with all of these bad posts that are not based on the actual state of the game.

sorry if i've been unclear, my point is that you were pushing dw, then he gained a proper wagon, then suddenly you moved to napoleoff. i think this is based on the state of the game

Do you know why I voted for Bona?

##Unvote

he's avoiding your questions

overall you actually don't feel agendad today, and although i still think you could be paired with dw i don't think you certainly are, especially considering that i'm tunneling the two people who are very easy to tunnel. ##unvote

[miminena]

nobody short of bunny (or chomps applying self-confirmed logic) can deny it's possible. Glitterbomb and probably Krr1ss will absolutely argue that it's unlikely, however.

What's this about

Diploma Cyan Dwarf Are (D&W), is putting forth a theory that Chomps is lying about his role reveal on Will (who died D1). This theory holds that no scum have died, and Chomps, Glitterbomb, and Bunnygo are the scum.

not sure i see this exact team but it makes enough sense that it feels like an actual attempt to solve from dw

[BunnyGo]

Is there a way to link posts here or smth btw? Will make my backreading much easier

Besides quoting. Not really.

I strongly recommend using the bot for rereads. And search functionality. And vote progression analysis.

[miminena]

alr time to consider the possibility that lurkers are watching town implode
ignoring n1 by my policy of doing so, and using words instead of posts as a metric of participation because it's more accurate:
two people were coasting a lot d1 (<500 words):
chomps
damo (dead, town ???)
five others had moderate to mildly low participation d1 (501-999 words):
jamie
me (watchman)
will (dead, mafia mouse)
yavuzovic (mouse)
glitterbomb
four players participated heavily d1 (1000+ words):
bona (sniper)
miminena (mouse)
butterscotch/Kr1ss
BunnyGo

so far d2, two players are coasting a lot (<400 words):
yavuzovic (mouse)
chomps
two others have moderate to mildly low participation (401-799 words):
bona (sniper)
glitterbomb
all other players are participating heavily (800+ words):
butterscotch/Kr1ss (total)
me (watchman)
jamie
bunnygo
miminena (mouse)
(standards for d2 are lower because there's still about 8 hours to go)

chomps has coasted heavily both days
glitterbomb and yavuzovic have also coasted both days

hmm
other than supporting the theory that chomps is scum (I already noticed glitter was coasting), yavuzovic could also be mafia - yavuzovic bussing will for towncred, or will refusing to tie because he didn't want yavuzovic to be killed by the judge, are two theories that would explain will failing to self-preserve

im shelfing this for now because nobody else seems interested in a yavuzovic wagon today
if I die consider this theory

yeah like this feels like a genuine attempt to solve imo

[Krr1ss]

Justwill died.
Damo died.

This is a limited-reveal setup.

worth pointing out that chomps claimed gravedigger with a scum check on will

Okay that's useful af thanks.

Also i saw people pushing chomps. Idk what's going on and I know I don't have any right really to read the game rn but my meta on chomps is that he's usually treated as easy ml from scum. I don't have any scum!chomps meta but as town he always got MLed xD

It's his uncaring playstyle sooo there's that. Also if he's gravedigger idk how useful killing one would be so early. How many scum do we have? I need to read that first page Kriss you idiot you are asking questions you can find answers to

@miminena I already confirmed it kinda?

[miminena]

alr time to consider the possibility that lurkers are watching town implode
ignoring n1 by my policy of doing so, and using words instead of posts as a metric of participation because it's more accurate:
two people were coasting a lot d1 (<500 words):
chomps
damo (dead, town ???)
five others had moderate to mildly low participation d1 (501-999 words):
jamie
me (watchman)
will (dead, mafia mouse)
yavuzovic (mouse)
glitterbomb
four players participated heavily d1 (1000+ words):
bona (sniper)
miminena (mouse)
butterscotch/Kr1ss
BunnyGo

so far d2, two players are coasting a lot (<400 words):
yavuzovic (mouse)
chomps
two others have moderate to mildly low participation (401-799 words):
bona (sniper)
glitterbomb
all other players are participating heavily (800+ words):
butterscotch/Kr1ss (total)
me (watchman)
jamie
bunnygo
miminena (mouse)
(standards for d2 are lower because there's still about 8 hours to go)

chomps has coasted heavily both days
glitterbomb and yavuzovic have also coasted both days

hmm
other than supporting the theory that chomps is scum (I already noticed glitter was coasting), yavuzovic could also be mafia - yavuzovic bussing will for towncred, or will refusing to tie because he didn't want yavuzovic to be killed by the judge, are two theories that would explain will failing to self-preserve

im shelfing this for now because nobody else seems interested in a yavuzovic wagon today
if I die consider this theory

Low activity is not scum indicative. Low effort in changing wagons may be. Fundimetally this post is calling out people for their playstyle and not actual play

nope, coasting is scummy
it's anti-town by decreasing the amount of discussion and is also used by scum to avoid saying anything that could be used as evidence against them

you've played with red enough to know that someone being anti-town does not necessarily make them scum. i do think you're valid for sussing them for it though so long as it comes with other reasoning (which it seems is true in this case)

[Jamiet99uk]

alr time to consider the possibility that lurkers are watching town implode
ignoring n1 by my policy of doing so, and using words instead of posts as a metric of participation because it's more accurate:
two people were coasting a lot d1 (<500 words):
chomps
damo (dead, town ???)
five others had moderate to mildly low participation d1 (501-999 words):
jamie
me (watchman)
will (dead, mafia mouse)
yavuzovic (mouse)
glitterbomb
four players participated heavily d1 (1000+ words):
bona (sniper)
miminena (mouse)
butterscotch/Kr1ss
BunnyGo

so far d2, two players are coasting a lot (<400 words):
yavuzovic (mouse)
chomps
two others have moderate to mildly low participation (401-799 words):
bona (sniper)
glitterbomb
all other players are participating heavily (800+ words):
butterscotch/Kr1ss (total)
me (watchman)
jamie
bunnygo
miminena (mouse)
(standards for d2 are lower because there's still about 8 hours to go)

chomps has coasted heavily both days
glitterbomb and yavuzovic have also coasted both days

hmm
other than supporting the theory that chomps is scum (I already noticed glitter was coasting), yavuzovic could also be mafia - yavuzovic bussing will for towncred, or will refusing to tie because he didn't want yavuzovic to be killed by the judge, are two theories that would explain will failing to self-preserve

im shelfing this for now because nobody else seems interested in a yavuzovic wagon today
if I die consider this theory

Holy cocksucking Christ, would you buy a keyboard with a shift key and a comma and a full stop, and would you learn how to use them, please?

Wall posts are PAINFUL to read if there is no punctuation.

[Krr1ss]

Is there a way to link posts here or smth btw? Will make my backreading much easier

Besides quoting. Not really.

I strongly recommend using the bot for rereads. And search functionality. And vote progression analysis.

I am just going from start while replying here

[miminena]

worth pointing out that chomps claimed gravedigger with a scum check on will

Okay that's useful af thanks.

Also i saw people pushing chomps. Idk what's going on and I know I don't have any right really to read the game rn but my meta on chomps is that he's usually treated as easy ml from scum. I don't have any scum!chomps meta but as town he always got MLed xD

It's his uncaring playstyle sooo there's that. Also if he's gravedigger idk how useful killing one would be so early. How many scum do we have? I need to read that first page Kriss you idiot you are asking questions you can find answers to

@miminena I already confirmed it kinda?

ah, sorry, must have missed that

it seems like chomps plays similar to red so i'm not sure him coasting and playing low-effort is scum indicative

[Jamiet99uk]

easily possible, although haven't considered it much myself yet

Well now I am asking you to think about it.

I would like to know if anyone thinks Dip's theory is likely.

Oh, and Glitter posted it.

And it was my first post back from Shabbat.

Likely is a strong word. I’d say it’s well within the realm of possibility.

I’d also object to calling it Dip’s theory. As Glitter posted it first. And I posted it when I got back.

There is a role that can verify the information Chomps claims, during the current phase, of course.

[Jamiet99uk]

sorry if i've been unclear, my point is that you were pushing dw, then he gained a proper wagon, then suddenly you moved to napoleoff. i think this is based on the state of the game

Do you know why I voted for Bona?

##Unvote

he's avoiding your questions

overall you actually don't feel agendad today, and although i still think you could be paired with dw i don't think you certainly are, especially considering that i'm tunneling the two people who are very easy to tunnel. ##unvote

That was the correct reason, it was a pressure vote.

Now I am not sure who to vote.

[Krr1ss]

GM Note: my wifes web browser was logged in as me. Sorry for the mix up that post was from her she will correct. And nothing is game compromised. Do not be concerned

oh xD now I gotta change my wallpost

[BunnyGo]

Well now I am asking you to think about it.

I would like to know if anyone thinks Dip's theory is likely.

Oh, and Glitter posted it.

And it was my first post back from Shabbat.

Likely is a strong word. I’d say it’s well within the realm of possibility.

I’d also object to calling it Dip’s theory. As Glitter posted it first. And I posted it when I got back.

There is a role that can verify the information Chomps claims, during the current phase, of course.

Seems a waste.

Could have been damo