M1036 Flipless Coven Hunt I Game Thread

[Bonatogether]

Mimi is lightly town for this interaction, feels like she really wants to figure out how to solve this game without flips, and thats a bit town indicative

##vote JustAMafiaMember

[Bonatogether]

Oh wait hes lying rip

out-bonged yet again

[Bonatogether]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/52222-TOTH-Witch-Hunt-I

this game to be precise if you want to look into it

assigning this to bozo

[BunnyGo]

Mimi is lightly town for this interaction, feels like she really wants to figure out how to solve this game without flips, and thats a bit town indicative

##vote JustAMafiaMember

I like this

##vote JustaCovenWitch

[ButterscotchReader]

Thats fair. I think if anything this game is going to force us to use meta more often than not, which is something a lot of webdippers could improve on. I think we can use pairings once we get more info

i mean there are two people here who have never played here before. how should we read them?

Well personally I’m going to just vote them if I see stuff that is in general scummy. Seems an unfortunate game for them to join the community

I just expect to get yeeted day 1 or day 2 in any new community. Don't wreck my timeline for this week by proving me wrong.

[Bonatogether]

OK, so my thoughts on mechs and knowledge, because there are some people who know things the rest of us do not.

Knowledge
Who knows stuff beyond their own role and/or alignment?

Scum know everyone's alignment (this is fairly normal with only 2 teams)
Apprentice knows someone else's role (either Inquisitor, Gravedigger, or Watchman).

3 Mice know each other's roles. And the odds at least one mouse is a scum is pretty decent (@damo, would you enjoy calculating this?)

If scum are Apprentice or mice then the OTHER scum also know that information too because of N0.

Inquisitor will eventually learn yes/no about people's roles into two different groups. Inquisitor can choose to publicly signal that information to apprentice if apprentice chose watchman and knows to look for it. If inquisitor pings same person and the answer changes, then that person was apprentice and now has upgraded to information role (I checked with GM). Risk is that Apprentice may be scum so might not want to help the coven.

Gravedigger will learn the role AND alignment of people dying on odd days. Can also signal this information to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are. If Gravedigger doesn't want to pass role info, but should almost certainly pass alignment info.

Watchman will learn one of a mouse, apprentice, savior, sniper. Can pass on to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are, but may worry about scum!apprentice.

Action:

Sniper: Can kill if they know a role. If there's a scum!sniper, they can almost certainly kill a mouse or someone else they'll learn about via powers. This has made Bona's "say your role" particularly weird...but I assume he didn't read the rules and/or assumed I'd just lie.

So in addition to scum knowing alignment information, other people will also be hiding information as a group.

I'm not sure if the mice should be trying to off each other or not.

I'm not sure if the Inquisitor or Watchman should be signalling the apprentice, but the Gravedigger should probably be signalling at least Coven/Town somehow. Just because it can't help scum!Apprentice, and might help Town!Apprentice.

too long and didn't care

why would gravedigger ever not signal as being town? scum want to be perceived as town, and town want to not be perceieved as scum. crucial failure in your interpretation!

[dargorygel]

Bot is up... sorry it took so long!

https://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=1036

[Bonatogether]

@Bunny

Probability at least one mouse is scum:

From outside pov 66%

From town non-mouse pov 70.83%

From town mouse pov 37.78%

I agree on the first two but got 53.3 for the last one

Yes, you're right. Poor arithmetic => damo is scum!

is it pronounced air-eth-meh-tic or arith-muh-tic

[Bonatogether]

Mimi is lightly town for this interaction, feels like she really wants to figure out how to solve this game without flips, and thats a bit town indicative

##vote JustAMafiaMember

I like this

##vote JustaCovenWitch

hi bogno

[BunnyGo]

OK, so my thoughts on mechs and knowledge, because there are some people who know things the rest of us do not.

Knowledge
Who knows stuff beyond their own role and/or alignment?

Scum know everyone's alignment (this is fairly normal with only 2 teams)
Apprentice knows someone else's role (either Inquisitor, Gravedigger, or Watchman).

3 Mice know each other's roles. And the odds at least one mouse is a scum is pretty decent (@damo, would you enjoy calculating this?)

If scum are Apprentice or mice then the OTHER scum also know that information too because of N0.

Inquisitor will eventually learn yes/no about people's roles into two different groups. Inquisitor can choose to publicly signal that information to apprentice if apprentice chose watchman and knows to look for it. If inquisitor pings same person and the answer changes, then that person was apprentice and now has upgraded to information role (I checked with GM). Risk is that Apprentice may be scum so might not want to help the coven.

Gravedigger will learn the role AND alignment of people dying on odd days. Can also signal this information to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are. If Gravedigger doesn't want to pass role info, but should almost certainly pass alignment info.

Watchman will learn one of a mouse, apprentice, savior, sniper. Can pass on to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are, but may worry about scum!apprentice.

Action:

Sniper: Can kill if they know a role. If there's a scum!sniper, they can almost certainly kill a mouse or someone else they'll learn about via powers. This has made Bona's "say your role" particularly weird...but I assume he didn't read the rules and/or assumed I'd just lie.

So in addition to scum knowing alignment information, other people will also be hiding information as a group.

I'm not sure if the mice should be trying to off each other or not.

I'm not sure if the Inquisitor or Watchman should be signalling the apprentice, but the Gravedigger should probably be signalling at least Coven/Town somehow. Just because it can't help scum!Apprentice, and might help Town!Apprentice.

too long and didn't care

why would gravedigger ever not signal as being town? scum want to be perceived as town, and town want to not be perceieved as scum. crucial failure in your interpretation!

Gravedigger should absolutely signal alignment to someone who knows what to look for. Gravedigger should consider signaling role, but should be careful because scum may not know the role, and if Apprentice is scum they'll be telling them.

But if Apprentice is scum, then several people know who the gravedigger is, and they can be knocked off quickly to make apprentice the gravedigger, so maybe this is moot.

Gravedigger should be VERY careful in how they do this so that the Sniper (and potential scum!sniper) does not eliminate them.

[Bonatogether]

OK, so my thoughts on mechs and knowledge, because there are some people who know things the rest of us do not.

Knowledge
Who knows stuff beyond their own role and/or alignment?

Scum know everyone's alignment (this is fairly normal with only 2 teams)
Apprentice knows someone else's role (either Inquisitor, Gravedigger, or Watchman).

3 Mice know each other's roles. And the odds at least one mouse is a scum is pretty decent (@damo, would you enjoy calculating this?)

If scum are Apprentice or mice then the OTHER scum also know that information too because of N0.

Inquisitor will eventually learn yes/no about people's roles into two different groups. Inquisitor can choose to publicly signal that information to apprentice if apprentice chose watchman and knows to look for it. If inquisitor pings same person and the answer changes, then that person was apprentice and now has upgraded to information role (I checked with GM). Risk is that Apprentice may be scum so might not want to help the coven.

Gravedigger will learn the role AND alignment of people dying on odd days. Can also signal this information to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are. If Gravedigger doesn't want to pass role info, but should almost certainly pass alignment info.

Watchman will learn one of a mouse, apprentice, savior, sniper. Can pass on to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are, but may worry about scum!apprentice.

Action:

Sniper: Can kill if they know a role. If there's a scum!sniper, they can almost certainly kill a mouse or someone else they'll learn about via powers. This has made Bona's "say your role" particularly weird...but I assume he didn't read the rules and/or assumed I'd just lie.

So in addition to scum knowing alignment information, other people will also be hiding information as a group.

I'm not sure if the mice should be trying to off each other or not.

I'm not sure if the Inquisitor or Watchman should be signalling the apprentice, but the Gravedigger should probably be signalling at least Coven/Town somehow. Just because it can't help scum!Apprentice, and might help Town!Apprentice.

too long and didn't care

why would gravedigger ever not signal as being town? scum want to be perceived as town, and town want to not be perceieved as scum. crucial failure in your interpretation!

Gravedigger should absolutely signal alignment to someone who knows what to look for. Gravedigger should consider signaling role, but should be careful because scum may not know the role, and if Apprentice is scum they'll be telling them.

But if Apprentice is scum, then several people know who the gravedigger is, and they can be knocked off quickly to make apprentice the gravedigger, so maybe this is moot.

Gravedigger should be VERY careful in how they do this so that the Sniper (and potential scum!sniper) does not eliminate them.

do i need to read the roles to understand what you're talking about

[BunnyGo]

too long and didn't care

why would gravedigger ever not signal as being town? scum want to be perceived as town, and town want to not be perceieved as scum. crucial failure in your interpretation!

Gravedigger should absolutely signal alignment to someone who knows what to look for. Gravedigger should consider signaling role, but should be careful because scum may not know the role, and if Apprentice is scum they'll be telling them.

But if Apprentice is scum, then several people know who the gravedigger is, and they can be knocked off quickly to make apprentice the gravedigger, so maybe this is moot.

Gravedigger should be VERY careful in how they do this so that the Sniper (and potential scum!sniper) does not eliminate them.

do i need to read the roles to understand what you're talking about

maybe? I can give you a high level summary if you'd like. But short summary: everyone has some sort of power (in particular the Sniper can kill anyone if they guess their role).

[Bonatogether]

Gravedigger should absolutely signal alignment to someone who knows what to look for. Gravedigger should consider signaling role, but should be careful because scum may not know the role, and if Apprentice is scum they'll be telling them.

But if Apprentice is scum, then several people know who the gravedigger is, and they can be knocked off quickly to make apprentice the gravedigger, so maybe this is moot.

Gravedigger should be VERY careful in how they do this so that the Sniper (and potential scum!sniper) does not eliminate them.

do i need to read the roles to understand what you're talking about

maybe? I can give you a high level summary if you'd like. But short summary: everyone has some sort of power (in particular the Sniper can kill anyone if they guess their role).

i was wondering what you were talking about but i actually did not realize i had a role. winning!

[BunnyGo]

do i need to read the roles to understand what you're talking about

maybe? I can give you a high level summary if you'd like. But short summary: everyone has some sort of power (in particular the Sniper can kill anyone if they guess their role).

i was wondering what you were talking about but i actually did not realize i had a role. winning!

Also, powers are not alignment indicative.

[Bonatogether]

maybe? I can give you a high level summary if you'd like. But short summary: everyone has some sort of power (in particular the Sniper can kill anyone if they guess their role).

i was wondering what you were talking about but i actually did not realize i had a role. winning!

Also, powers are not alignment indicative.

i'm powerful as any alignment

[Bonatogether]

if roles aren't alignment indicative we should massclaim for kicks

[BunnyGo]

if roles aren't alignment indicative we should massclaim for kicks

Sniper may not be town....

OH! There's also a role "the Judge", if the day ends in a tie, they get to decide who dies. Can be anyone, not just the wagons involved.

[damo666]

I agree on the first two but got 53.3 for the last one

Yes, you're right. Poor arithmetic => damo is scum!

is it pronounced air-eth-meh-tic or arith-muh-tic

the latter

[damo666]

When is EOD? bot implies 80 minutes?

[brainbomb]

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