M1036 Flipless Coven Hunt I Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Mimi is lightly town for this interaction, feels like she really wants to figure out how to solve this game without flips, and thats a bit town indicative

[BunnyGo]

Thats fair. I think if anything this game is going to force us to use meta more often than not, which is something a lot of webdippers could improve on. I think we can use pairings once we get more info

i mean there are two people here who have never played here before. how should we read them?

Well personally I’m going to just vote them if I see stuff that is in general scummy. Seems an unfortunate game for them to join the community

this is wildly out of character for Just. Any reason for it, Just?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

i mean there are two people here who have never played here before. how should we read them?

Well personally I’m going to just vote them if I see stuff that is in general scummy. Seems an unfortunate game for them to join the community

this is wildly out of character for Just. Any reason for it, Just?

? This is how we should read all new players. How else are we going to do that with no flips and no meta?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

what do you suggest we do instead?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Oh wait hes lying rip

[BunnyGo]

what do you suggest we do instead?

You've never not said about new players "I'm not voting them until Day 3", so to see you write "I'm going to just vote them..." was a bit jarring

[BunnyGo]

Oh wait hes lying rip

RIP to the lying...that bit's done and thank god some other energy showed up here. Was dead at the start, especially the 20 minutes after the login snafu.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

what do you suggest we do instead?

You've never not said about new players "I'm not voting them until Day 3", so to see you write "I'm going to just vote them..." was a bit jarring

Butterscotch has played on MU, and I’m still waiting on Chomps to respond to the question I asked him

The thing only applies if they are new to mafia, not new to specifically webdip

Same thing with Control V last game

[miminena]

Well personally I’m going to just vote them if I see stuff that is in general scummy. Seems an unfortunate game for them to join the community

this is wildly out of character for Just. Any reason for it, Just?

? This is how we should read all new players. How else are we going to do that with no flips and no meta?

i thought abt this a bit more in the last few minutes, and it would be a bit unfair imo to not search into their meta if we're relying on meta reads. nobody here exists in a vacuum (except pengwinja but he's not playing) so i feel like reads would be skewed if you look into only people's metas that you've played with. Especially since chomps and butter were both in a game on mu w/ bb that was very similar to this setup and presumably inspired it.

that being said i don't think you're necessarily scummy for this, i just disagree

[miminena]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/52222-TOTH-Witch-Hunt-I

this game to be precise if you want to look into it

[BunnyGo]

OK, so my thoughts on mechs and knowledge, because there are some people who know things the rest of us do not.

Knowledge
Who knows stuff beyond their own role and/or alignment?

Scum know everyone's alignment (this is fairly normal with only 2 teams)
Apprentice knows someone else's role (either Inquisitor, Gravedigger, or Watchman).

3 Mice know each other's roles. And the odds at least one mouse is a scum is pretty decent (@damo, would you enjoy calculating this?)

If scum are Apprentice or mice then the OTHER scum also know that information too because of N0.

Inquisitor will eventually learn yes/no about people's roles into two different groups. Inquisitor can choose to publicly signal that information to apprentice if apprentice chose watchman and knows to look for it. If inquisitor pings same person and the answer changes, then that person was apprentice and now has upgraded to information role (I checked with GM). Risk is that Apprentice may be scum so might not want to help the coven.

Gravedigger will learn the role AND alignment of people dying on odd days. Can also signal this information to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are. If Gravedigger doesn't want to pass role info, but should almost certainly pass alignment info.

Watchman will learn one of a mouse, apprentice, savior, sniper. Can pass on to apprentice if apprentice knows who they are, but may worry about scum!apprentice.

Action:

Sniper: Can kill if they know a role. If there's a scum!sniper, they can almost certainly kill a mouse or someone else they'll learn about via powers. This has made Bona's "say your role" particularly weird...but I assume he didn't read the rules and/or assumed I'd just lie.

So in addition to scum knowing alignment information, other people will also be hiding information as a group.

I'm not sure if the mice should be trying to off each other or not.

I'm not sure if the Inquisitor or Watchman should be signalling the apprentice, but the Gravedigger should probably be signalling at least Coven/Town somehow. Just because it can't help scum!Apprentice, and might help Town!Apprentice.

[damo666]

##vote Butter

for the bot

suggest everyone revotes for bot purposes

[BunnyGo]

##vote Butter

for the bot

suggest everyone revotes for bot purposes

##vote mimi

##unvote

[damo666]

@Bunny

Probability at least one mouse is scum:

From outside pov 66%

From town non-mouse pov 70.83%

From town mouse pov 37.78%

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny

Probability at least one mouse is scum:

From outside pov 66%

From town non-mouse pov 70.83%

From town mouse pov 37.78%

I agree on the first two but got 53.3 for the last one

[Bonatogether]

Mildly towny

mildly scummy

Certified Bona Craftsman, do you think Chomps is scummy?

i think you are scummy

[damo666]

@Bunny

Probability at least one mouse is scum:

From outside pov 66%

From town non-mouse pov 70.83%

From town mouse pov 37.78%

I agree on the first two but got 53.3 for the last one

Yes, you're right. Poor arithmetic => damo is scum!

[Bonatogether]

Ok I think Bunny’s bit is he’s lying, so I don’t want to scumread him off sounding different. Bunny last game didn’t have a bit that I remember, so I’ll have to see

And I’m gonna do it all game! I certainly won’t stop the bit at about the 24 hour mark when people will be begging me to continue it!

Im confused is this a double negative in which both are flipped or just one

Nvm im not gonna try and figure it out

so true! show that towny solvy effort without contributing anything

[Bonatogether]

Yeah but I didn't miss much.
##vote bunny
I don't have a particular reason, just need to add momentum.

Very much not a fan of naked votes with no explanation to "add momentum."

##vote yavuzovic

That's the momentum

too many layers of thinking is scummy

[Bonatogether]

i mean it's somewhat easy for people to deal with individual meta imo, but dealing with stuff like tmi is prob much harder, so interactions, even if we can't confirm them, feel like a much better method of finding scum. i agree that we shouldn't just vote people out one by one because of a presumed scum team but i think we should take pairings with more than just a grain of salt but idk

Thats fair. I think if anything this game is going to force us to use meta more often than not, which is something a lot of webdippers could improve on. I think we can use pairings once we get more info

i mean there are two people here who have never played here before. how should we read them?

we should dk them today and tomorrow and then lock in