Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[Durga]

Can someone who is an expert in damo summarize his town play for me pls

He's so authentically casual about the weird shit he says, and his thought processes seem very legitimate.

I don't find it weird or shit but fair enough.

Durga, sorry for my angry response to you. I don't like being called dumb. I prefer to play civilly.

Whatever, just give me reasons as to why you think the things you think. Not just weird numbers and sequences

[ghug]

Alright I'm confused. Why didn't I die?

Because 1/2 < 6/7.

Scum knew RHK was town and therefore the obvious assumption for them is to assume his PR claim was truthful.

If RHK doc hes saves self, if obs then doc saves Squigs. So attempting a NK on RHK or Squigs would have a 50% chance of success. Targetting anyone else almost certain to be not doc saved so only box holding could protect giving a 6/7 chance of success.

It was therefore blindingly obvious scum would not target Squigs.

This is why in my end of night post I said I would be confident of Squigs survival to today.

Don't they have a driver?

[Durga]

Clearly it is a 30-time-use driver

[Foxcastle]

"If there are no more items in the Box to draw at the start of the Night Phase, it explodes at the end of the Night Phase and kills the player holding it."

##CALL GM: Does this mean that if the box is empty at the beginning of the night, the box receiver will be holding the box when it explodes, whether the box sender performs a list or tries to take another item?

##GM NOTE: there is a necessary clarification, the rule should read, "If there are no more items in the Box to draw or List options to request at the start of the Night Phase, it explodes at the end of the Night Phase and kills the player holding it."

If there are no more items, but there is a list option, the player can request the list option and not be explored. If there is a list option and the player takes when there are no items, then the box explodes.

[rdrivera2005]

RHK should you take? 2/3 chance of item. Better than list which seems revealed anyway.

And I would pass it to a scumread rather than a borderline.

I do not understand rdrivera's post.

##vote rdrivera

What exactly you don't understand Damo? I didn't use numbers?

[damo666]

Because 1/2 < 6/7.

Scum knew RHK was town and therefore the obvious assumption for them is to assume his PR claim was truthful.

If RHK doc hes saves self, if obs then doc saves Squigs. So attempting a NK on RHK or Squigs would have a 50% chance of success. Targetting anyone else almost certain to be not doc saved so only box holding could protect giving a 6/7 chance of success.

It was therefore blindingly obvious scum would not target Squigs.

This is why in my end of night post I said I would be confident of Squigs survival to today.

Don't they have a driver?

If driver not exhausted. And if so drive who?

[damo666]

RHK should you take? 2/3 chance of item. Better than list which seems revealed anyway.

And I would pass it to a scumread rather than a borderline.

I do not understand rdrivera's post.

##vote rdrivera

What exactly you don't understand Damo? I didn't use numbers?

Why would demonRHK issue a fake list?

[bozotheclown]

"If there are no more items in the Box to draw at the start of the Night Phase, it explodes at the end of the Night Phase and kills the player holding it."

##CALL GM: Does this mean that if the box is empty at the beginning of the night, the box receiver will be holding the box when it explodes, whether the box sender performs a list or tries to take another item?

##GM NOTE: there is a necessary clarification, the rule should read, "If there are no more items in the Box to draw or List options to request at the start of the Night Phase, it explodes at the end of the Night Phase and kills the player holding it."

If there are no more items, but there is a list option, the player can request the list option and not be explored. If there is a list option and the player takes when there are no items, then the box explodes.

OK, so this means if DemonRHK performs a list and gives the box, the box receiver is guaranteed not to be killed, so the box can be used tonight as a save. Even if Balki performed a list for some reason and there is only one list available, because that would mean there is still one item in the box.

[ghug]

Wait, it only explodes when you try to take an item when there aren't any left, not when you take the last item?

##CALLGM

If the box is going to explode, is it the person who holds it going into the night, or the person they send it to that dies?

[Foxcastle]

##CALLGM

If the box is going to explode, is it the person who holds it going into the night, or the person they send it to that dies?

The person holding the box during the day, going into the night, dies when it explodes. Per the order of operations, the box explodes before it can be delivered.

[bozotheclown]

##CALLGM

If the box is going to explode, is it the person who holds it going into the night, or the person they send it to that dies?

The person holding the box during the day, going into the night, dies when it explodes. Per the order of operations, the box explodes before it can be delivered.

This is not how I was interpreting it. I think "it explodes at the end of the Night Phase" sounds like after the box has been received. So, DemonRHK is safe tonight if he performs a list, but whoever he passes the box to could get killed by the box the next night.

[bo_sox48]

This game is boring

[bo_sox48]

Post #2

[bo_sox48]

##VOTE ND

[Durga]

Come on, if you're town at least try

[bo_sox48]

I did I got a miller yaaay

[Squigs44]

##vote ghug

[rdrivera2005]

RHK should you take? 2/3 chance of item. Better than list which seems revealed anyway.

And I would pass it to a scumread rather than a borderline.

I do not understand rdrivera's post.

##vote rdrivera

What exactly you don't understand Damo? I didn't use numbers?

Why would demonRHK issue a fake list?

If he is scum he will obviously issue a fake read list and a fake Observer list to probably out our PRs. Of course, if he is really the Observer, the list is real, but is still pretty bad.

[damo666]

What exactly you don't understand Damo? I didn't use numbers?

Why would demonRHK issue a fake list?

If he is scum he will obviously issue a fake read list and a fake Observer list to probably out our PRs. Of course, if he is really the Observer, the list is real, but is still pretty bad.

In the absence of a counter claim surely the assumption must be RHK is genuine.

[damo666]

Given box development s RHK should probably list to ensure survival this leaves doc free to save someone else (Squigs? self?).

There is half chance of 2 lists and 2/3 chance of more items so only 1/6 chance of next recipient being killed. So perhaps RHK should send to a townie but not a doc possibility.