Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[bozotheclown]

I think RHK should claim his role just before EoN

Why just before EON? If DemonRHK is NKed, we will find out his role. If DemonRHK survives and observer follows Balki's plan and visits DemonRHK, no observer report confirms DemonRHK is a real PR without revealing his role or revealing the other PR.

[Durga]

I think RHK should claim his role just before EoN

Why just before EON? If DemonRHK is NKed, we will find out his role. If DemonRHK survives and observer follows Balki's plan and visits DemonRHK, no observer report confirms DemonRHK is a real PR without revealing his role or revealing the other PR.

Address the scenario I presented

[damo666]

I digress.

I am a bit surprised Ike revealed as miller. I had assumed would be revealed as VT. I can find nothing in set up about a miller's death.

Now scum know there is only 1 miller left.

[bozotheclown]

My point is observer will observe doctor.

So if rhk is doc, he will be observed and confirmed.
If rhk is observer, then we won't have an observer going to Squigs and not seeing rhk.

If they use the driver on you, both PR's end up on someone else and observer can still see who doc is.

Either way observer can confirm whether rhk is pr or not.

I think this works also, but I do not see any benefit over Balki's plan of having the observer just observe DemonRHK. Also, with Balki's plan the doctor is free to do what he wants.

Problem is if driver is in use you don't really know what's going on right?

If the driver tried to drive DemonRHK, I believe the observer would see the driver visit the driver's other target, so the observer could ID the driver, which I think would be better than determining if DemonRHK is a real PR.

[Durga]

I think this works also, but I do not see any benefit over Balki's plan of having the observer just observe DemonRHK. Also, with Balki's plan the doctor is free to do what he wants.

Problem is if driver is in use you don't really know what's going on right?

If the driver tried to drive DemonRHK, I believe the observer would see the driver visit the driver's other target, so the observer could ID the driver, which I think would be better than determining if DemonRHK is a real PR.

The other scenario, about the doc

[Durga]

Man, I highly doubt rhk is scum anyway. Doc should probably consider just saving him and praying driver is out.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Man, I highly doubt rhk is scum anyway. Doc should probably consider just saving him and praying driver is out.

Why do you highly doubt he is scum?

[Durga]

Man, I highly doubt rhk is scum anyway. Doc should probably consider just saving him and praying driver is out.

Why do you highly doubt he is scum?

Because he's not been scummy!! He's been null at worst!

[damo666]

Observer should definitely be on DemonRHK tonight. If Observer dies, either we'll have a Doc CC or we won't. If Observer survives the night, then he'll either be able to out DemonRHK as scum, or he won't come forward.

I think this works, and if DemonRHK is a real PR, our other PR will not be revealed, whether DemonRHK survives or not. Also, if DemonRHK is a real PR and survives, his role would not be revealed, so if this is going to be the plan it would be better for him not to claim his role.

Observer A observes Demon.

Driver drives Demon and B and scum NK C.

Case A Demon is Doc and saves self

Observer sees B's visits (assume nil) and Demon survives.

Case B Demon is scum.

Same result. We learn nothing.

[bozotheclown]

If the observer visits DemonRHK, I believe these are the possibilities:
1. DemonRHK NKed: question answered
2. observer NKed: doctor CCs or DemonRHK confirmed as doctor
3. DemonRHK is observer: no report confirms DemonRHK as PR
4. observer sees DemonRHK make one visit: no report confirms DemonRHK as PR
5. observer sees DemonRHK make no visits: observer confirms DemonRHK is scum
6. observer sees DemonRHK make two visits: observer confirms DemonRHK is driver
7. observer sees someone other than DemonRHK get visited: observer confirms the identity of the driver

[bozotheclown]

Observer should definitely be on DemonRHK tonight. If Observer dies, either we'll have a Doc CC or we won't. If Observer survives the night, then he'll either be able to out DemonRHK as scum, or he won't come forward.

I think this works, and if DemonRHK is a real PR, our other PR will not be revealed, whether DemonRHK survives or not. Also, if DemonRHK is a real PR and survives, his role would not be revealed, so if this is going to be the plan it would be better for him not to claim his role.

Observer A observes Demon.

Driver drives Demon and B and scum NK C.

Case A Demon is Doc and saves self

Observer sees B's visits (assume nil) and Demon survives.

Case B Demon is scum.

Same result. We learn nothing.

No, we learn the identity of the driver. The observer also sees B's visitors.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Man, I highly doubt rhk is scum anyway. Doc should probably consider just saving him and praying driver is out.

Why do you highly doubt he is scum?

Because he's not been scummy!! He's been null at worst!

"Because you are scummy." "Because he is not scummy."

Those are non-answers.

Q. Why do you think he is not scum?
A. Because I think he is not scum.

[Durga]

Nothing in his posts has stuck me as scummy. What more do I fucking say? This is typical rhk shit.

[Durga]

I don't need to provide evidence of his towniness. There's no evidence of his scummy behaviour.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think this works, and if DemonRHK is a real PR, our other PR will not be revealed, whether DemonRHK survives or not. Also, if DemonRHK is a real PR and survives, his role would not be revealed, so if this is going to be the plan it would be better for him not to claim his role.

Observer A observes Demon.

Driver drives Demon and B and scum NK C.

Case A Demon is Doc and saves self

Observer sees B's visits (assume nil) and Demon survives.

Case B Demon is scum.

Same result. We learn nothing.

No, we learn the identity of the driver. The observer also sees B's visitors.

Also, the "self-save" would become a save on B because of the driver, and so the observer would see Demon visit B, and see the driver visit B.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think that, if the observer watches Demon, either Demon will visit one and only one person (then he is Doctor), or he will visit zero or two persons (then he is scum).

The only way Demon visits one person, and is not Doctor, is that he performs the NK. In that case, we should know, or else we'll be in a Doc CC situation and we'll have a blocked NK.

Can anyone find a hole in this plan?

[bozotheclown]

Problem is if driver is in use you don't really know what's going on right?

If the driver tried to drive DemonRHK, I believe the observer would see the driver visit the driver's other target, so the observer could ID the driver, which I think would be better than determining if DemonRHK is a real PR.

The other scenario, about the doc

I am not sure if I answered your question, are you talking about your suggestion of the observer and doctor both visiting Squigs?

[rdrivera2005]

Sorry guys, today is a holiday here and I was away with my family all afternoon/start of the night. Will start reading the last 20 pages I missed.

[damo666]

I think this works, and if DemonRHK is a real PR, our other PR will not be revealed, whether DemonRHK survives or not. Also, if DemonRHK is a real PR and survives, his role would not be revealed, so if this is going to be the plan it would be better for him not to claim his role.

Observer A observes Demon.

Driver drives Demon and B and scum NK C.

Case A Demon is Doc and saves self

Observer sees B's visits (assume nil) and Demon survives.

Case B Demon is scum.

Same result. We learn nothing.

No, we learn the identity of the driver. The observer also sees B's visitors.

Oh yeah. Good.

[Durga]

Rhk being scum and visiting Squigs who is also visited by doc. Squigs being saved, observer has no idea if rhk is scum or not. Worthless situation, can be avoided by my scenario.

But honestly, do what you want PR's - just be wary of listening to Balki