Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[RagingIke297]

@Ike: Other than your cased based on votes (The one that shows leading wagons are voting for other leading wagons, shocker), why do you think I am scum?

Alright, finally getting to this, my scum read of you hinges mostly on Damo now that I've gone back through and got all my thoughts together.

Clipping these from the bot because I'm on mobile, but these are the 4 times you have mentioned Damo the entire game:

Late day 1:

I don’t scumread damo.

Late day 2:

I still don’t see damo as scum

Later day 2:

Damo isn’t scum, breaking tie

Night 2:

((referring to town reads)) damo (Scum wouldn’t act like that under the gallows, especially twice)

So you townread him since day 1 and the only reason you can give is because of his reactions to almost getting lynched? Why did you town read him before that?

Damo is even more ridiculous, he flips between town reading you and scum reading you as is convenient for him, he's flopped at least 4 times now and to me it looks like he's a scum PR and you're (demon) a goon that is trying to save him at all costs.

Can we please lynch one of these two (demon/damo) today? Demon and Flash are almost certain to flip to me, so unless the rest of us get together on a single person I'm going to be the next scum driven mislynch.

Where do I flip/flop on DemonRHK ???

Everywhere dude, I'll go find it all and plop it here so we can lynch you

[damo666]

Watch flash leave his vote conveniently parked on Yav until EOD.

[Balki Bartokomous]

For what it’s worth, I am getting ghug/DemonRHK scummate shivers up my spine.

[ghug]

For what it’s worth, I am getting ghug/DemonRHK scummate shivers up my spine.

You sure that's not just an overwhelming urge to dance?

[bozotheclown]

He is tunneling on me. I was just trying to joke about it. He really doesn't have anything to go on. My biggest crime apparently is to vote the same way as him two days in a row (on the second day he explicitly asked for that vote). I have a tendency in the past to automatically scumread people that obsess on me like this (ghug would be setting up his third mislynch)...but perhaps he is trying hard where there aren't that many clues? He doesn't have any better ideas so he keeps coming back to me?

I prefer not to share as sharing more generally means more scumreads. As I have said many times before I am not going to show false confidence in who I think is scum.

What?

Ugh, this is why I can't be bothered at times. If I say something now that I am not confident in and I change my mind that will be scumread...so I prefer not to say anything at all.

All I did was respond to you and bo to try and start a conversation with you and half joke about ghug's obsession with me (he has nothing). Instead you focused on the ghug jokey post...rather than the conversation I was trying to start.

I agree this series of exchanges does not look good for flash.

[Balki Bartokomous]

For what it’s worth, I am getting ghug/DemonRHK scummate shivers up my spine.

You sure that's not just an overwhelming urge to dance?

Lynch DemonRHK with me now. That way when he flips Driver, you can claim town cred.

Perhaps Durga should do the same thing.

[Durga]

No. RHK is a null. He's done nothing scummy that I've seen.

[worcej]

I don't care that he killed a townie. Yav was a sensible shot. I'm skeptical of how he set it up.

Seconding this post - I thought it was interesting he waited 3 phases to use it (D3 [albeit short as it was] -> N3 -> D4 used), which is a gamble if you're town due to the NK.

I take this move as more NAI than town clearing, because (as said by others already) the deep scum move would be to hold it for later.

FWIW, the vote maps so far look like this:

Day 1
thdfrance (10) — ghug, Vecna, Tom Bombadil, RagingIke297, Balki Bartokomous, worcej, flash2015, DrCJG, DemonRHK, damo666
damo666 (6) — ND, peterlund, Squigs44, Durga, bozotheclown, thdfrance
DemonRHK (4) — rdrivera2005, xorxes, yavuzovic, bo_sox48
No‑Lynch (1) — Szpoti


Day 2
peterlund (8) — Durga, bo_sox48, ghug, DrCJG, Damo666, DemonRHK, Balki Bartokomous, flash2015
damo666 (6) — Squigs44, bozotheclown, ND, yavuzovic, peterlund, vecna
DemonRHK (3) — rdrivera2005, RagingIke297, xorxes
xorxes (1) — worcej
yavuzovic (1) — Ezio

I personally don't draw any great conclusions from this map other than my continued question from the Flash/Jamie spot. The defense from flash has also been meh... as much as I am willing to chase after Ike, I am beginning to think Flash needs to be revealed because I struggle with the analyzing the spot due to Jaime's D1 coming off as town but Flash's play more dodgy.

##vote Flash

[bozotheclown]

I'm really liking how Dr and damo are trying to set me up for the next lynch, as if I have some superior knowledge on who between Ike and yav is scum. I also like that they're assuming I'm now protecting(?) Ike after I started the pressure on him. I also can't get over the fact that damo approaches this game as if he knows people's alignment.

+1
If scum keeps driving the lynch they need reasons to push new people when the old ones die. RHK or Damo should be a wagon today

I find myself agreeing with RagingIke today, and I think Durga has a good point about damo. I do not know why damo is not a wagon again.

[worcej]

I'm really liking how Dr and damo are trying to set me up for the next lynch, as if I have some superior knowledge on who between Ike and yav is scum. I also like that they're assuming I'm now protecting(?) Ike after I started the pressure on him. I also can't get over the fact that damo approaches this game as if he knows people's alignment.

+1
If scum keeps driving the lynch they need reasons to push new people when the old ones die. RHK or Damo should be a wagon today

I find myself agreeing with RagingIke today, and I think Durga has a good point about damo. I do not know why damo is not a wagon again.

I stand by the fact damo is playing like town damo has in the past.

[ghug]

For what it’s worth, I am getting ghug/DemonRHK scummate shivers up my spine.

You sure that's not just an overwhelming urge to dance?

Lynch DemonRHK with me now. That way when he flips Driver, you can claim town cred.

Perhaps Durga should do the same thing.

Maybe if flash fizzles.

[Balki Bartokomous]

No. RHK is a null. He's done nothing scummy that I've seen.

That’s because you don’t read my posts about him or respond in any substantive way. You just try to end the discussion by saying “seems like you’re just posting whatever and calling it scummy.”

[bozotheclown]

I'm really liking how Dr and damo are trying to set me up for the next lynch, as if I have some superior knowledge on who between Ike and yav is scum. I also like that they're assuming I'm now protecting(?) Ike after I started the pressure on him. I also can't get over the fact that damo approaches this game as if he knows people's alignment.

I actually think that Dr was implying he could shoot you, which I would prefer he didn't do.

@DrCJG - Ballsy to save that gun so long. Almost too ballsy... if my opinion is of any sake, I would vote that you fire it at either Damo/Ike/Yavu right now because they are wagons for various reasons throughout this game and have people scum reading them for other reasons.

DrCJG might have been waiting to see if the shot recommendation was likely to be a town. Overall I would say DrCJG following Squigs choice of shooting yavuzovic is NAI, as it made sense as either town or scum.

[Durga]

No. RHK is a null. He's done nothing scummy that I've seen.

That’s because you don’t read my posts about him or respond in any substantive way. You just try to end the discussion by saying “seems like you’re just posting whatever and calling it scummy.”

You've said yourself that your case is built off of his one post, that I just don't know how you find scummy

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

flash2015 (4) --- rdrivera2005, ghug, ND, worcej
yavuzovic (3) --- DemonRHK, flash2015, bozotheclown
RagingIke297 (3) --- bo_sox48, DrCJG, damo666
DemonRHK (3) --- RagingIke297, Balki Bartokomous, Squigs44
Balki Bartokomous (1) --- Durga

Flash2015 is set to be lynched!

2 hours and 45 minutes remain in Day 4

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Town, let’s please lynch DemonRHK today. I need this one.

[Durga]

Foxy you might want to null the yavuz votes

[Balki Bartokomous]

No. RHK is a null. He's done nothing scummy that I've seen.

That’s because you don’t read my posts about him or respond in any substantive way. You just try to end the discussion by saying “seems like you’re just posting whatever and calling it scummy.”

You've said yourself that your case is built off of his one post, that I just don't know how you find scummy

It’s pretty easy to say “yeah, I read what you wrote, but I don’t agree.” And that prevents others from engaging there too.

Why not engage? Why not look at my reasons and tell me specifically why you disagree?

[RagingIke297]

@Damo

Day 1 page 14

I townread the following (in no particular order):

Xorxes
thdfrance
worcej
Balki
​ R ike
rdrivera
Vecna
Szpoti
Bozo
Demon
​ Jamie

So that's a town read

Day 1 page 26

Vecna - re my demon townread. I thought his initial post (252) was towny but on a reread of his yav vote it seems a tad forced. Downgrade demon to null

Now it's null...

Day 1 page 27

I could be persuaded to switch to DemonRHK if that wagon starts to roll.

Now it's as close as you've come to giving a scum read day 1/2

Day 1 page 29

I retract my previous comment about demon. I won't be voting him.

Back to a solid enough town read to not vote for him

Day 1 page 30

Also I don't really like the wagons on Peter or DemonRHK.

Now he's a solid enough town read to try to detract from his wagon

Day 1 page 37

DemonRHK: "I don’t scumread damo. I will self-pres onto thd prior to EoD I’d i have to. But I’m sticking on Yavu at the moment to m..."

Ditto to first 2 sentences swapping 'DemonRHK' for 'damo'.

Now he's solid enough that you would consolidate on another wagon and let yourself possibly get lynched if THD doesn't take off.

Night 1 page 42

I don't think any scum came under any vote pressure at all. That's why it was so messy. Someone had to take the fall. Just happened to be thdfrance. Perhaps demonRhk and me deserved it less.

Again reading RHK town, kudos for trying to give yourself town marks too.

Day 2 page 49

Fwiw here are my updated reads, three groups: Town Town/? ?
No scumreads as such yet.
No ordrering within groups.

TOWN
Balki
Bozo
Bo
DemonRHK
​ ghug
worcej
Xorxes

Here we see RHK townread again, but later in the same post we get this

Looking at the end voters on thdfrance we know Tom was town, I'm pretty hot on Balki, ghug, worcej as town and Demon probably so which leaves Vecna, RagingIke, Flash & DrCJG probably containing at least 2 scum.

Assuming the thdfrance push was to protect another wagon this leaves DemonRHK & RagingIke as containing at least 1 scum. As I townlrean more on Demon ##Vote RagingIke

Not even sure what to make of that, "Demon is a townread, but one of him and Ike is scum" lol wot? I don't even know what to call this, but if you think one of me and RHK is scum then I wouldn't say you townread him.

So we go from town, to null, to would vote for, to wouldn't vote for, to not liking his wagon, to don't scum read, to town read with scum read /hedge attached. Seems floppy to me...

[Balki Bartokomous]

The flash wagon is built on wooden planks from the NAI tree. This is another distraction.

On Day 1, I made the mistake of following ghug, thinking that if he was town he’d have a good read and if he was scum, he would bus.

On Day 2, I tried to lynch DemonRHK, but we could not get a majority because the Peter wagon was dominating.

Now ghug wants the flash wagon, and all his reasons are NAI. Ghug is smarter than that. Let’s lynch DemonRHK and see why these NAI counter wagons keep emerging.