Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[flash2015]

Okay I scumread Flash now. He is taking time to make defensive posts rather than scumhunt

OK, mislynch me now then. I can't really be bothered if you keep misreading me.

I'm just saying that instead of quoting ghugs post and saying something to the effect of "what do I need to do for you to leave me alone?" you could have commented on what ghugs alignment is based off that post. Or you could have asked ghug a follow up question. Or you could share your reads no matter how crappy they are. At least they would be genuine if you are town. What you are doing is anti-town.

He is tunneling on me. I was just trying to joke about it. He really doesn't have anything to go on. My biggest crime apparently is to vote the same way as him two days in a row (on the second day he explicitly asked for that vote). I have a tendency in the past to automatically scumread people that obsess on me like this (ghug would be setting up his third mislynch)...but perhaps he is trying hard where there aren't that many clues? He doesn't have any better ideas so he keeps coming back to me?

I prefer not to share as sharing more generally means more scumreads. As I have said many times before I am not going to show false confidence in who I think is scum.

[Squigs44]

OK, mislynch me now then. I can't really be bothered if you keep misreading me.

I'm just saying that instead of quoting ghugs post and saying something to the effect of "what do I need to do for you to leave me alone?" you could have commented on what ghugs alignment is based off that post. Or you could have asked ghug a follow up question. Or you could share your reads no matter how crappy they are. At least they would be genuine if you are town. What you are doing is anti-town.

He is tunneling on me. I was just trying to joke about it. He really doesn't have anything to go on. My biggest crime apparently is to vote the same way as him two days in a row (on the second day he explicitly asked for that vote). I have a tendency in the past to automatically scumread people that obsess on me like this (ghug would be setting up his third mislynch)...but perhaps he is trying hard where there aren't that many clues? He doesn't have any better ideas so he keeps coming back to me?

I prefer not to share as sharing more generally means more scumreads. As I have said many times before I am not going to show false confidence in who I think is scum.

What?

[ND]

uh yeah, Flash is scum. ##vote Flash

Yav not off the hook, but that last Flash post was major scum level stuff.

[Balki Bartokomous]

For anyone too lazy to read all 966 words flash has written this game, here's the only quote where he offers any explanation of his vote:

I could ask you the same question. The vote was tied. A decision had to be made. I thought Peter was likely to be scum than Damo. In hindsight, I guess he was showing he just wasn't that into this game.

I've repeatedly asked him to explain why he felt Peter was more likely scum, or to give reads on literally anyone else. He has refused.

Admittedly, I am too lazy to go read the 966 words. But the way you are presenting this case, it reads more "bad at/not invested in the game" than alignment indicative.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@ghug,

I get that you're interested in Flash, but I need your help with something. Can you take a hard look at DemonRHK vs. Yavuz and tell us who we should lynch today if we must lynch between those two?

Also, if anyone has a gun, please let us know and allow Squigs to call the shot.

[flash2015]

I'm just saying that instead of quoting ghugs post and saying something to the effect of "what do I need to do for you to leave me alone?" you could have commented on what ghugs alignment is based off that post. Or you could have asked ghug a follow up question. Or you could share your reads no matter how crappy they are. At least they would be genuine if you are town. What you are doing is anti-town.

He is tunneling on me. I was just trying to joke about it. He really doesn't have anything to go on. My biggest crime apparently is to vote the same way as him two days in a row (on the second day he explicitly asked for that vote). I have a tendency in the past to automatically scumread people that obsess on me like this (ghug would be setting up his third mislynch)...but perhaps he is trying hard where there aren't that many clues? He doesn't have any better ideas so he keeps coming back to me?

I prefer not to share as sharing more generally means more scumreads. As I have said many times before I am not going to show false confidence in who I think is scum.

What?

Ugh, this is why I can't be bothered at times. If I say something now that I am not confident in and I change my mind that will be scumread...so I prefer not to say anything at all.

All I did was respond to you and bo to try and start a conversation with you and half joke about ghug's obsession with me (he has nothing). Instead you focused on the ghug jokey post...rather than the conversation I was trying to start.

[Durga]

Why rhk?

[Squigs44]

Already stated why I voted for Peter. Not repeating myself. I have a rough lynchpool...based on PoE. Not very confident in it so I am not that keen on sharing.

This is your idea of starting a conversation?

[Squigs44]

Bo and Durga have both been off my radar. I find it hard to read people with their playstyle. I want to say Durga is more townie. I think Bo is slightly on the scum side of null. Does anyone have a good read on either of them?

Why do you think Bo is slightly on the scum side? I would call him town. He seems to be actively trying to solve...with a healthy dose of towny idgaf. He was the first to point out that we should lynch Ezio after Xerxes got NK.

Oh, you meant this one

[flash2015]

@ghug,

I get that you're interested in Flash, but I need your help with something. Can you take a hard look at DemonRHK vs. Yavuz and tell us who we should lynch today if we must lynch between those two?

Also, if anyone has a gun, please let us know and allow Squigs to call the shot.

Why DemonRHK...apart from being part of the low posters club?

[Squigs44]

Ugh, this is why I can't be bothered at times. If I say something now that I am not confident in and I change my mind that will be scumread...so I prefer not to say anything at all.

Why do you care if you are scumread? Town's goal is to find scum through information exchange, not to be townread.

[flash2015]

I think DemonRHK will turn out to be town (famous last words).

[Squigs44]

Why do you think Bo is slightly on the scum side? I would call him town. He seems to be actively trying to solve...with a healthy dose of towny idgaf. He was the first to point out that we should lynch Ezio after Xerxes got NK.

I don't see him being all that active in solving.
I do agree with the healthy dose of towny idgaf. That's the one plus he has.
Pointing out the Ezio lynch is NAI

[Squigs44]

Okay, so I relooked at Bo and I think I have a bit of recency bias. He was much more active the first two days.

[damo666]

Does anyone actually townread flash, or do y'all just not care about him?

Definitely NOT a townread.

Scum side of null.

Prefer RagingIke as a wagon though.

Because of my RHK vote?

No, but it doesn't help.

[RagingIke297]

Definitely NOT a townread.

Scum side of null.

Prefer RagingIke as a wagon though.

Because of my RHK vote?

No, but it doesn't help.

So why did you do it?

[DemonRHK]

So Ike has passed Yavu as a wagon? I mean I am scumreading him (not nearly to the level of Yavu) but going from a self-destructing scummy player that's repeatedly saying he's going to flip miller to 4 wagons is interesting.

I'm town or null reading Ike's entire wagon, and I've made my points on him before.

Yavu has just gone further and further down the rabbit hole. I called what I saw a slip on D1, just to be chastised by the entire game for daring to call that out in a realm where post preview exists. Annoying, but fine. He is ESL.

But you can't ignore N3. Yavu went ballistic at that hammer. I'm focused so much on him because I had to spend most of the last main-line mafia game with my life linked to his (where he subbed in for scum snowy), and saw much the same reactions when I revealed and offered the two for one lynch.

I'm sticking to my guns this time, I don't want him to flail around and derail for 2 or 3 days like M39.

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Non-Yavu related thoughts.

ghug's questioning the Ike wagon, while not having Ike as anything more than a lean? Are you now townreading Ike ghug?

Balki immediately jumps to my wagon and has repeatedly attempted to coach Yavu into defending himself today. He's repeatedly throwing the same post out over and over without looking into the evolution of the game since.

flash is...odd. He's mostly commentating without any reads. It's lazy, but not scummy. But everything Jamie was doing oozed scummy.

@Ike: Other than your cased based on votes (The one that shows leading wagons are voting for other leading wagons, shocker), why do you think I am scum?

[Durga]

That post is pretty townie I think

[Balki Bartokomous]

DemonRHK, can you comment on your activity level in this game? Is this typical for you? Is there a reason I'm not aware of that has reduced your activity level?

[Balki Bartokomous]

That post is pretty townie I think

I had the same impression.