Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[brainbomb]

Right. So anyway you havent had to actually do hunting since supposedly catching sweet.

Ive read your town games and scum games and I dont see that much different between them in volume or in style.

Can you describe how you think you play as scum?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Right. So anyway you havent had to actually do hunting since supposedly catching sweet.

Ive read your town games and scum games and I dont see that much different between them in volume or in style.

Can you describe how you think you play as scum?

To be honest, I don’t really know. My only game as mafia, I panicked, became super obviously scummy, and was immediately popped by Bunny. So idk. I can get really antsy and nervous.

But I guess because you think I am confident, this is obviously me trying to manipulate my meta.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Right. So anyway you havent had to actually do hunting since supposedly catching sweet.

Ive read your town games and scum games and I dont see that much different between them in volume or in style.

Can you describe how you think you play as scum?

Scum game*

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Right. So anyway you havent had to actually do hunting since supposedly catching sweet.

Ive read your town games and scum games and I dont see that much different between them in volume or in style.

Can you describe how you think you play as scum?

Im not a meta dude. Its just not too fun to figure out patterns, rather I just look at the current game.

[brainbomb]

Meta is not someone getting done with a game and carefully reviewing how and what they did.

Meta is just what you do.

[brainbomb]

Your answer is fine by the way.

[brainbomb]

i would describe you as TWTBAW

TOO wolfy to be a wolf

And its one of those slippery slopes where its a great scum playstyle also. Inexperienced and newer mafia can get away with it much easier. sabi did this before where her antics were just so over the top people stopped even reading her posts

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

i would describe you as TWTBAW

TOO wolfy to be a wolf

And its one of those slippery slopes where its a great scum playstyle also. Inexperienced and newer mafia can get away with it much easier. sabi did this before where her antics were just so over the top people stopped even reading her posts

Well, im not mafia, so I guess I am just a lil bit kooky

[ghug]

So if cop already did scan me please announce that end of night so we can eliminate will and banish him to the shadow realm forever

Cop should be playing for auto here. If we get enough clears, we just win. Reveal nothing, steer the kills.

[Vecna]

Btw, just a little note to why to me its most likely Bozo:

He is always super rational, and he never spouts disingenuous reasons to be suspicious of anyone.

No rational person could ever claim "Vecna is a good and dangerous scum player" while in the same breath claiming he can still be suspicious of me because I couldve bussed the GF in a time-critical moment, and then proceed to only death-tunnel my remaining partner......in a game with a cop and a doc in hiding. There is no rationale to think any good scum player would ever act that way in this setup.

Bozo's irrational all the time.

When he's town and he's scumhunting me - he's looking for paths I could take as scum that would lead me to potential victories.

Here he's pretending he's doing that. But the thought process is flawed.

[Vecna]

@Ghug:

Im noting youre now sort of defending Bozo, while for large parts of yesterday you were voting him.

If my reasons for being suspicious of Bozo are wrong according to you, then what were your different reasons to be suspicious enough to be voting him for a long time? Did anything change?

[BunnyGo]

To the GT:

Sweet and ghug aren’t paired either, but that is less sure. Sweet is the sort of player who would actively try to forget (or not even read) who his scum team is. So he may honestly have not known ghug was in the game even if they’re both scum. I bet sweet literally stops reading as soon as he sees “scum” and only opens for the discord link that night.

I don’t agree with this so much, which makes me realize my agreement with the brain-ghug observation was meta-based, which I will therefore discard, as I find my early meta reads tend to tunnel me into town-reading people too liberally while many players here are very good at acting their town-selves while scum.

For inspiring this revelation, Bunny shall suffer not the gaze of furry.

##UNVOTE

this aged very well. In comparison with him saying he DID agree that ghug and brain aren't paired first. town points for food.

[BunnyGo]

It's a bit early to have reads on people, really.

Not when he can do that! Damn Froggy! Either:

1) Town with a really good gut read

2) Scum with a really gutsy gambit on page 1

Would Frog, a very logical player, do that though?

I think Froggy is a very intuitive player. It's town points, but not town lock.

[Vecna]

Other little tidbits that could corroborate/fit with Bozo being the last:

-Jamiet was very suspicious of Bozo for most of D1 and was subsequently killed. I could see Bozo being afraid of Jamiet (who is also a champion for spotting inconsistencies, which could be very much a kryptonite for a player like scumbozo). Killing Jamiet might get rid of a very suspicious player, while making it appear the kill was cophunting or protecting frogger.

-Bozo was a very possible counter-wagon to HB all of D2, yet neither HB or Bozo ever voted for eachother. (Sweet also never voted for any of those 2, but that seems like a super inconsequential datapoint).

-Bozo talked about HB roughtly 3 times all game:

Bozo what do you think of HamiltonBrian?

I do not currently have an opinion on his alignment this game.

Then:

Here are the players I suspect:

-snip-

Hamilton: Low level defense of sweetandcool as EOD.

-snip

And then suddenly this:

##vote Hamb

I am fairly confident Hamilton is town.

Nothing happened in between, except him replying to a HB post once.

THEN THIS:

If foodcoats is town, there is likely one mafia voting for me and one voting for Hamilton, because I suspect myself vs. Hamilton is what the mafia want to see. I think damo and dargorygel are probably town, so that leaves one of Vecna/BunnyGo and one of ghug/Chaqa. I think I am back to BunnyGo/ghug as the most likely remaining mafia.

##VOTE BunnyGo

DAY 2 WAS SCUM VS SCUM.

They both piled on bunny.



GAME

MOTHERFUCKING

SOLVED

[BunnyGo]

So if cop already did scan me please announce that end of night so we can eliminate will and banish him to the shadow realm forever

Cop should be playing for auto here. If we get enough clears, we just win. Reveal nothing, steer the kills.

this. Cop should be trying to either catch scum or have enough clears to claim.

[BunnyGo]

<snip>

DAY 2 WAS SCUM VS SCUM VS BUNNY

<snip>

FYP

[Vecna]

It could be ham, i agree. But its not me, and I don't see it being bozo.
What are your present thoughts on ghug and chaqa?

I am fairly confident Hamilton is town.

##vote Ham

I am fairly confident Hamilton is town.

This is something I agree with.

I'd consider switching to Hamilton or a flashwagon on any of you/Frog/damo. Would also vote Vecna or darg, but those aren't my priorities.

I am fairly confident Hamilton is town.

Nice job Hamilton voters.

I am surprised, I was fairly confident Hamilton was town this game.

He was indeed fairly confident.

Bozo next

Is Bozo the sort to just yell that his teammate is town without justifying it?

Hamilton had me fooled by defending me D2 when I was the lead wagon and he was the obvious alternative.

Nice job Hamilton voters.

I am surprised, I was fairly confident Hamilton was town this game.

Are you fucking with us

No, as I said, Hamilton defending me when I was the lead wagon seemed unlikely as mafia. I am still not sure why he did it.

[Vecna]

Today totally got away from me and just got back from my guitar lesson.

I know I'll go back and read up on it but...Jamie endvotes on bozo? What the what!

Are people really that aggrieved with Bunny's psychoanalysis on the metaphorical couch that this forum has been turned into (by BunnY) that they'd vote him out?

Here are the players I suspect:

And then promptly lists off the remaining players. That's funny. I don't think bozo is ever funny though, so this is a little off-brand.

You think it is normal for Bozo to post a long reads list in which he scumreads everybody?

id say it barely registers as peculiar on the bozo scale of things.

And I hadnt even considered darg's take that it might just be jokes.

It was odd for sure, but Bozo often is. Whether he is scum or town is sorta besides the point im making here.

When bozo responds that far our of character? "It barely registers" doesn't give me confidence that you're reading as closely as you'd like us to think you are.

I don't recall bozo being this "unsure" during a game. Or at least verbalizing it.

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UP untill this point the interactions from HB seem to be going back and forth.

He's both suspicious of Bozo - BUT ALSO SHADING ME for attacking Bozo.

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This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

If you are mafia, it would be unlikely you and sweetandcool would both vote for BunnyGo at the beginning of D1 if he was town.

Trying to work my way through this. If you aren't mafia, it would be likely you and sweet wouldn't both vote BunnY?

You obviously think Food is mafia, but are you also suggesting you think Bunny is teammate #3?

And from here he suddenly starts "working" with Bozo.

And bozo is interrogating me the way town!bozo would, despite my rage at reliving these moments of rage.

I will agree with you there; I think bozo is pretty town here.

^ and anyone not liking the bozo wagon.

So food...if you're thinking bozo is pretty town, I am assuming you remove your vote off of them. Where do you go with your vote? Of your bozo voters who's your least likely town?

So food...if you're thinking bozo is pretty town, I am assuming you remove your vote off of them. Where do you go with your vote? Of your bozo voters who's your least likely town?

And then if we look at the roster of sweet voters, would the busser/s (if there were any) drive the bozo wagon (if bozo is indeed town)?

Well if that's pitting me against bozo I am not going to jump on that wagon to save myself. I'd rather you clear my spot, get the town flip, then reassess there.

I am leaning this way currently:

I would definitely flip today: Bunny Will Chaqa Damo

I could flip today: Brain Ghug Frogster Darg

I would NOT flip today: bozo food

[Vecna]

Their play fits exactly in the narrative.

Bozo refusing to vote his teammate HB to save his life (its an autoloss vs 9 town including a cop/doc)

HB refusing to vote his teammate Bozo to save his life

Bozo spinning this whole narrative to only focus on the bussers. He had to. Everyone killing the GF was TOWN.

[Vecna]

<snip>

DAY 2 WAS SCUM VS SCUM VS BUNNY

<snip>

FYP

exactly