MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2221 Post by heartthrob24909 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:53 pm
I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...
I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb
Can you explain what’s dumb about it?
There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2222 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:53 pm
I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...
I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb
Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2223 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm


I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb
Can you explain what’s dumb about it?
There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.
Is this a VT claim?

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2224 Post by heartthrob24909 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:53 pm
I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...
I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb
Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?
I do, but being the actual person to tie the vote feels dirty

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2225 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:12 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm


I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb
Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?
I do, but being the actual person to tie the vote feels dirty
OK, I see that you said you would break the tie.

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2226 Post by heartthrob24909 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:13 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:12 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm


Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?
I do, but being the actual person to tie the vote feels dirty
OK, I see that you said you would break the tie.
Break it but not cause it

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2227 Post by heartthrob24909 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm


Can you explain what’s dumb about it?
There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.
Is this a VT claim?
Does V stand for vigilante or vanilla? Do people actually claim vanilla town?

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2228 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:17 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:11 am
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:03 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:23 pm


Yeah…but I want a story. With a clear progression of action and colors and heroes and villains.

Someone should tell me a story while I put my kids to bed.

@bozo? @heart? @bueller?

Color coding by heartthrob

Text adapted from Bona. Opinions expressed are not my own. RT =/= endorsement

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[Color-coded analysis omitted from quote for conciseness]

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Stopping here bc I need to look at this with the colors so I can form some thoughts
What stuck out to me upon reread. Quotes in black, my thoughts in green:
- macca voters: temasek, damo, heartthrob. these 3 either don't move, aren't active, or only flip when it's too late to change the outcome. zero momentum wagon. The other 2 leading wagons both being scum should potentially bring these names into further scrutiny. I'm aware that I am unfortunately on this list
- by T-0:26, the vote is 4 macca/4 will/4 sweet/3 vanity wagons
macca voters: same plus will in desperate self-saving mode. this zombie wagon lumbers on. This reflects favorably on Macca imo
- bozo and jamie get off vanity wagons for sweet. bozo has only engaged with sweet once before in the whole day (admittedly not a high poster), and says his reason is not very strong. however he never moves his vote even as sweet becomes a giant wagon. The vote that initially reflected positively on bozo in the moment (since we didnt know it was SvS) is I think a little less favorable now as we could be looking at a scenario where bozo is just choosing which teammate to sacrifice.
I liked heartthrob pointing out that it turns out my choice D1 was between 2 mafia and a town when I broke the 3 way tie. heartthrob is at least putting in more effort than Temasek.

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2229 Post by BunnyGo » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:19 pm

Ok bozo. You sold me.

##vote Tem
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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2230 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:20 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm


There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.
Is this a VT claim?
Does V stand for vigilante or vanilla? Do people actually claim vanilla town?
The later, and yes, sometimes, when it is appropriate. In this case, if you were a PR, you probably would not be saying there is no value in keeping you around for an extra day.

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2231 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:24 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:20 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm


Is this a VT claim?
Does V stand for vigilante or vanilla? Do people actually claim vanilla town?
The later, and yes, sometimes, when it is appropriate. In this case, if you were a PR, you probably would not be saying there is no value in keeping you around for an extra day.
latter

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2232 Post by Temasek22 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD

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#2233 Post by damo666 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2234 Post by damo666 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:27 pm

Temasek22 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm
Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD
Like what you see?

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2235 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:28 pm

Temasek22 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm
Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD
If you are the doctor or the Vig, you should probably tell us now.

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2236 Post by Temasek22 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:28 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm
heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm


I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb
Can you explain what’s dumb about it?
There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.
I've been swayed man, this feels.so much like TvT

##vote bunny

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2237 Post by Temasek22 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:29 pm

damo666 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:27 pm
Temasek22 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm
Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD
Like what you see?
Well obviously no

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2238 Post by heartthrob24909 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:31 pm

damo666 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm
##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?
Well now he's so far ahead that I don't want to anymore

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2239 Post by damo666 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:32 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:31 pm
damo666 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm
##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?
Well now he's so far ahead that I don't want to anymore
Lol

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Re: MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

#2240 Post by Temasek22 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:32 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:31 pm
damo666 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm
##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?
Well now he's so far ahead that I don't want to anymore
Neither would I if I were in your shoes tbf.

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