MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[Hamilton Brian]

This said, at this point I think both you and Bunny are town.

IS that opinion strong enough to nearly dispel the "coaching during D1" notion that was floating around out there?

[Hamilton Brian]

I think temask and will are scum.

together? maybe, maybe not

##vote tem

I'm reading backwards so may have missed an earlier explanation. If not previously explained, why those two?

[damo666]

Damo's Survey:

Damo: 1
Worcej: 1
Temasek: 2
Jamiet99uk: 2
Chaqa: 3

Thank you Jamie.

So far Jamie's answer is unique. Anyone want to say why?

Everyone else thinks the majority of the remaining scum didn't vote with them.

Correct

[damo666]

##vote sweet

jic

How long before this vote were you monitoring EOD?

Less than 2 minutes.

[Hamilton Brian]

What would motivate mafia to jump on that wagon with 5 minutes to go? Wouldn't they move or keep a vote planted?

Kind of dispels my "jamie as mafia" theory.

[damo666]

My guess would be that it's between one and two.

What? 1.43?

It's quite interesting. If it's none or one we want to concentrate on non-sweet voters 2m (Tem/Macca). If it's 2 or 3 we want to stick to sweet voters (Will, you, ghug).

We don't know. I think the key thing I don't like doing in these cases is eliminating half the game from consideration in either direction. Look at the individual sweet voters to see who's more/less likely to bus. Look at the non-sweet voters to see who might have been trying to protect him. If there are two, it's plausible that one is a late voter like Jamie or Will who isn't getting much credit to begin with.

Out of curiosity, what makes worcej and Spirit towncore but not me or Bona?

You because of your possible deflection by the bussing post. Bona because I need something more to towncore him.

[damo666]

I was looking through Hamilton's old posts since sweet apparently has a history of advocating for bussing and Ham was sweet's first vote, and saw this one which I missed the first time I was reading through the thread

I found Macca voting for Bona due to his predecessor's actions and pulling out due to out-of-game stuff fairly interesting. A "sit back with popcorn" feel perhaps, and since the sweet wagon was going nowhere at the time I made my post I changed my vote

Macca didn't say anything about the sub request as a reason for scum reading that slot.

I probably worded it poorly, but I was aware that the substitution had no impact on Macca's vote, in fact, it made Macca pull her vote out of ND/Bona

From my view, the way things happened was.

>ND acted very hostile, enough for Macca to think he's scum on reread
>ND subs out for Bona
>Macca rereads the thread due to missing early game, and votes for Bona due to ND's actions before subbing out
>Macca changes vote to No Kill due to out-of-game factors regarding Bona

I just found this sequence interesting, and suspicious on first glance. But come to think of it now it feels more like town behaviour

Rereads?

##vote Tem

[heartthrob24909]

I think Ghug is pointing out how spirit wanted me to be a day kill , and then saw an extremely easy miskill to take advantage of

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

I understand where you are coming from but luckily I don't think people usually follow that type of logic when looking for a daykill, at least in my limited experience.

Being overly concerned with your own survival in the game usually lines up with either scum or new town... which I guess... doesn't really add a whole lot to the discourse here

I did like someone's point that were you scum, 12/16 people were voting for scum on D1 which would be unlikely

[Hamilton Brian]

##Vote Temasek

Temasek's iso is a poorly-stocked stationery cupboard of low-impact one-sentence posts.

That's something. Did they sufficiently change their posting style for you after this post?

[Hamilton Brian]

At this point I still think Will is a good vote and also Temasek. Macca have been suspicious too, but Temasek vote looks opportunistic independently of Macca's alignment.

ND/Bona is another option but I fear this is just because I can't read Bona.

I think Sweet interaction looks like frustrated town.

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Rivera, do you mean Sweet in general looks like town, or Sweet's interactions with Will make them look like town?

What was sus about Macca?

[heartthrob24909]

Just is only capable of thinking as the center of everything.

I'm starting to understand him.

He's a college student who literally doesn't know what a team is. But that's because everything literally revolves around him. So Spirit dying MUST have something to do with him! And you voting him confirms that somehow.

When I go back and reread his posts with the above in mind, they make a lot more sense.

You base this on my preference of board games and video games. Why do think I’m on this website? I like strategy games.

##VOTE BUNNY

Pulling shit out your ass for no reason.

You like strategy games. Most of us do.

But this is a team game. And I've been trying to understand how you play with others.

The answer has been...interesting. Depressing, but interesting.

Didn't he say this was his 2nd time playing? Give him some time to feel it out. Now that you have a theory about his thought process you can work better with him.

I haven't seen Bunny play as scum before so can't comment on his metas too much but this conversation generally feels townly? The repeated desire to understand how one person is working. Idk. Might spin more later i was tricked into doing a turkey trot

[Jamiet99uk]

OK, so picking from your list for you: ghug and worcej and Bunny are all sitting around in the scum chat last night.

And how do they start their conversation?

What are they first talking about?

Man, I don’t know. Kill spirit I suppose they said.

We can kill spirit and watch as everyone freaks out and overanalyzes the post he made early on

Like you are doing, you mean?

[Jamiet99uk]

I think temask and will are scum.

together? maybe, maybe not

##vote tem

Why do you think that?

[Hamilton Brian]

I can vote Macca to break the tie, but then Macca can tie again.

Won't vote for Sweet today.

So choosing to leave the vote on Will; at the time of that post it was 4-4-4, but then announcing that Sweet would not be your vote? What was your thought process at that point? What made Sweet a less-viable candidate?

And I don't want it to seem that I am picking on you; it's just your D1 iso is short so it's quick easy reading for me.

[Hamilton Brian]

##Vote Macca

Some very interesting development here. Holy hell.

I liked Tem's Sweet vote this morning. Pointed it out as Sweet's reasoning is forced. The vote was early on. Then they switched to Macca with 16 hours and change to go.

Tem, did you ever explain what you thought the interesting development was? Did I ask this already? Sorry, IRL is scatterbraining me.

[BunnyGo]

Thank you Jamie.

So far Jamie's answer is unique. Anyone want to say why?

Everyone else thinks the majority of the remaining scum didn't vote with them.

Correct

I said the majority of remaining scum voted "with" me (off the sweet wagon)

[BunnyGo]

It is the part about "not knowing what a team is" that seems to be unnecessary, and perhaps scum motivated in some less than obvious way. It reminds me of that game where we were mafia in kgray's first game here. If you want more insight into how he would play a team game, I suggest reading M83, where he was DKed D7 voting for the remaining mafia.

Ah...I hadn't meant to be that harsh. I was definitely frustrated a couple days ago when I couldn't understand him, and couldn't even discuss how team strategy games are different than diplomacy or the like.

I thought I had an epiphany about him and was understanding him better.

I'll step back if that's how I'm coming off. Sorry @Just. Feel better and have a happy thanksgiving.

Please don’t go away. I am a bad player, but I try to play a team game. I felt kind of attacked by your comment and I got defensive, and I unfairly criticized you. I am sorry @BunnyGo, please play the game, don’t feel pressured to change your vote because of this.

Happy thanksgiving. Again I am sorry for how I came off.

Nono. Bozo said I was being an a$$hole.

He was referencing a game where as scum I was quite cruel to a new player as a way to keep her off base and constantly keep her around till the end as a possible miskill.

It was not a good way to play. For many reasons. But not least of which it fosters an unhealthy community and doesn’t invite people in.

I do not want to do that. Nor was it my intention.

You’re fine. Keep being you.

[Hamilton Brian]

Do you remember playing with Heartthrob and, if so, what is your over-riding memory of them?

Nope. Don't remember. Sorry.

Two to go.

You were his mafia teammate in his only previous game.

There's this that seems so specific to recall. It then led to the bozo>damo>worcej exchange with damo voting worcej.

[heartthrob24909]

You like strategy games. Most of us do.

But this is a team game. And I've been trying to understand how you play with others.

The answer has been...interesting. Depressing, but interesting.

This is a team game. I try to figure out how to win while also trying to keep others at bay. I don’t know anyone’s role, so my mindset always defaults to “what would this post mean if they were mafia”. I get very defensive because I am the only person I know is town. So me surviving is my #1 goal. Even if it might be a detriment to my team the same day, I know that the chance that someone else is mafia might be slim, but it’s better than 0%. I play this game trying to help my team by keeping myself alive, which is probably a bad move. But town getting killed is not what we want, and therefore solo games do in fact somewhat apply here.

I don’t know what’s depressing.

I know it will sound like teaching but I don't give a fuck.

Not being misskilled is a great goal for town players but it's not the only one and being too self-centered and defensive will make you miskilled more often then you would like.

This said, at this point I think both you and Bunny are town.

agree w this take

[worcej]

Screw that traitor. And his wife

I don't think Bona's married.

How is Eden doing Bona? Slaving in the kitchen for you?