MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

Preliminary Final VC:
KoalaAttack (8) Bonatogether, damo666*, sweetandcool, snowy801, Dousing, bozotheclown, rdrivera2005, President Eden
President Eden (3) Jamiet99uk, Chaqa, KoalaAttack

Discord PM me if any issues.

[worcej]

Final Vote Count:
KoalaAttack (8) Bonatogether, damo666*, sweetandcool, snowy801, Dousing, bozotheclown, rdrivera2005, President Eden
President Eden (3) Jamiet99uk, Chaqa, KoalaAttack

Bob Barker looks off astonished as the contestant ghug walks through the door on his way out of the studio. He reaches down and pulls open the card.

"The actual retail price of the watch is.... $355.99! You win it Koala!"

KoalaAttack runs up to the stage and dances with glee. Bob smiles and puts his hand on his shoulder.

"Are you ready for your showcase?"

KoalaAttack just looks at Bob. "No, I just want the watch. It's shinny."

Bob Barker blinks randomly. "Are you sure?"

Koala nods, takes the watch, and walks off stage towards the exit the ghug went out.

KoalaAttack HAS DIED! He was a Vanilla Town!
Night 2 has begun. You may now post!

[snowy801]

y i k e s

[Chaqa]

I straight up forgot there was a mafia game. My excuse is I am currently playing board games.

[snowy801]

@rdrivera??

[Bonatogether]

ok koala that was lame

[Dousing]

Mafia is:
Bona, Sweetandcool, and someone else

I'm calling it!

It was convinced to change my vote once, it won't happen again! (unless there's a really good counterargument I guess)

fool me once...

[damo666]

Well at least Jamie and Chaqa come out with some credit.

I just don't get Koala.

[snowy801]

Should've just sheeped bozo
Every game I tell myself that and every game I fail

[Dousing]

I have a suspicion I'm getting NK'ed


anyway that was fun, but I gotta go!

P.S. Snowy you suck for scaring the shit out of me

[rdrivera2005]

y i k e s

Your play this game yikes.

[Chaqa]

I don't think Sweet is mafia.

[snowy801]

I have a suspicion I'm getting NK'ed


anyway that was fun, but I gotta go!

P.S. Snowy you suck for scaring the shit out of me

alright listen at least we had fun right

...right?

[rdrivera2005]

Should've just sheeped bozo
Every game I tell myself that and every game I fail

You would have done a lot better. Chaqa was just lurking and avoided the kill mostly because of you.

[snowy801]

Should've just sheeped bozo
Every game I tell myself that and every game I fail

You would have done a lot better. Chaqa was just lurking and avoided the kill mostly because of you.

As a wise man once said, scared money don't make money

They also don't blow all their life savings on crypto-hedge funds but c'est la vie

Interesting you think Chaqa avoided the kill instead of Eden though, any particular reason to lean that way or is that just bozo's sus talking

[snowy801]

Still can't believe Eden deleted his server

Was gonna propose to cope with some Stellaris

[snowy801]

Wait no you were voting Chaqa I'm high as balls

[rdrivera2005]

@rdrivera??

Snowy, I really consider you a good player and at some point I thought you were being obnoxious on purpose to avoid being NKed first night as it usually happens.

But your insistence on lock Koala as Mafia because of a statement that is totally normal is completely uncomprehensive to me and the way you dismiss my town read of Koala. I have played 4 games in a row with Koala só I trust much more my feeling about him the yours, but you keep dismissed what I say just because I don't posts walls.

Like I said at start I don't think you are that bad so I think you are scum.

[rdrivera2005]

Wait no you were voting Chaqa I'm high as balls

I am a bit high too, so forgive my typos last post.

[sweetandcool]

Ok see here: viewtopic.php?p=337350#p337350 (quote truncated as it's monstrously long)

The two parts I mention in my post above

OK my case on Snowy is growing as Snowy is posting but ignoring my repeating questioning...

Because as far as I can tell they have no actual rationale for their hardlock of me as Mafia to share...



This is the best I can find:

Speaking of reasons why I actually believe something, I direct people to review this comment

In other words, they hardlock me as Mafia for using a definitive "when" instead of "if" inside a joke banter post with Bona.

First section of my previous comment, wherein Koala makes his professional assumption on why I scum read him. Assumptions are fair, given that I've hardly explained my rationale, but then he turns it into a single issue vote which sets up the strawman.

earliest setup reading mafia player

The best part is – the last one is by Snowy themselves!

So Snowy – you are a Mafia hardlock because you didn't say "if" when you said Bona is the earliest setup reading mafia player – riiiiight? You just stated it as a fact. Clearly, you can only know this from Mafia chat.

Continuation, and this is the "stretch." First, either misunderstanding or willful twisting of an innocuous phrase. Some leniency can be provided as Jamiet apparently also misunderstood this, but as both he and bona pointed out hardly relevant in any sense and a deliberately bad faith argument to extend his premise, which could've been fair in isolation but isn't (also guys, while I appreciate you guys making these rebuttals for me it kind of ruins the point of not giving them anything to work with)

So to you, rdrivera, I wanted to hear your understanding of these growing serious of misunderstandings and possibly willful ignorance, but for whatever reason all of it seems to be just escaping your mere glance which my personal respect for your ability continues to find extremely worrisome. You seem to be very out of it as a whole in this game, and your position on Koala is merely an extension of that

To return to the original point, the reason why this comment caught my eye:

i think i'm pretty clearly cooler as i wasn't born in the previous millennium like a boomer

When we flip you as Mafia, if I'm still alive, I'll say "boom" just for you.

And here's where I requested for my sanity check, and apparently bozo interpreted this line as being somewhat similar to how Koala saw it, as my claiming that because he said "when", I deduced that Koala must know with certainty that bona is scum, which can only happen if Koala is scum and therefore knew this. But this must also mean that bona is scum with Koala.

This is not, in fact, what I read when I saw this line. As some of you may recall from my old rants, the best way to deduce alignment is to not observe player action, but to consider the state of mind from which this action is derived. In this very simplistic form of that concept, we see here that certainty is expressed in a way that instantly rang alarm bells in my head - but I did not understand it as a slip of knowledge. Instead, I perceived it to be him attempting to emulate a state of mind in which he is town, being certain that he has caught scum (bona) and slipping in his expression of that.

In the conversation leading up to this moment, both bona and Koala hammer at each other seemingly convinced that the other is scum. But bona's language is natural, indicative of just him being his usual self having caught scum. Koala's is not.

This is not the only reason why I scum read him, but it is the primary reason. I was hoping that you, rdrivera, could see the build up and the implications that I was attempting to make and both see your reaction to it as well as your understanding to the validity to my theories. But instead what I received was utter apathy on the alignment of Koala, excepting a meek "well I think he's town" response from you.

You can see why I find you, independent of Koala, very concerning.

But I am equally hopeful that I will not have to dirty my hands, and that town will be forced to resolve your question in my absence. We shall again, on this topic, see how the wind blows.

Now tell me, why is Koala town?

My respect for Snowy just skyrocketed after this post.