M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

At the work conference.

If people genuinely want me to shoot today I need two people to quickly vote me

OH - you need those votes the same phase?

[worcej]

##vote flum

Though I expect you’re going to cap me based on dialogue…

[bozotheclown]

Well, Ghug was obviously town so it's not a surprise NK.

I still think HR and Flum are town.

I have a lot doubts about Koala, I just don't feel the same Koala of first game but also it's not the same fluffy Koala from last game.

Right now I would say Bozo and Jamiet are my top suspects. Followed by Damo, Bona and Worcej in this order.

Bozo is just forgettable this game which doesn't happen when he is town. And Jamiet reactions seems over the top like he wants to look like angry town Jamiet.

Why did you not protect ghug N1 if he was obviously town?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Fluminator

[worcej]

The only major downside of a flum shot is if it misses and we move to 4-2 now, we have to do a no kill and move into D4 at 3-2.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE worcej

[Hamilton Brian]

I don’t see the benefit in waiting for the shot. I think we get quicker info with 2 kills.

##Vote flum

[worcej]

##vote bozo

Hopefully his momentary 2 votes got him his bullet.

[bozotheclown]

The only major downside of a flum shot is if it misses and we move to 4-2 now, we have to do a no kill and move into D4 at 3-2.

We would not have to no-kill, especially with Fluminator being a likely NK.

[worcej]

I don’t see the benefit in waiting for the shot. I think we get quicker info with 2 kills.

##Vote flum

This is fair, just stating again since I may eat it: we need to no kill if town is hit.

[worcej]

The only major downside of a flum shot is if it misses and we move to 4-2 now, we have to do a no kill and move into D4 at 3-2.

We would not have to no-kill, especially with Fluminator being a likely NK.

You are so scummy this game.

[Hamilton Brian]

I’d say Flum goes with their gut here but for info sake:

In no particular target order:

Bozo:
Flum:
Hamilton B: worcej, koala
Jamie:
Koala:
Rivera:
Worcej:

[Hamilton Brian]

Then Flum tells us the two up for daykill based on their read.

[bozotheclown]

I don’t see the benefit in waiting for the shot. I think we get quicker info with 2 kills.

##Vote flum

The downside is a missed shot uses our last mis-kill, so a missed shot and a mis-kill would end the game today. However, I think it is still the best option.

[bozotheclown]

The only major downside of a flum shot is if it misses and we move to 4-2 now, we have to do a no kill and move into D4 at 3-2.

We would not have to no-kill, especially with Fluminator being a likely NK.

You are so scummy this game.

4-2 with a town clear is better than 3-2 with no town clear, and Fluminator is as close to a town clear as possible with the closed setup.

[Hamilton Brian]

Fully trusting rivera's claim, the pool of suspects is small. 2 out of 5. I like the chances of the shot and the kill. I think. Haven't pushed that to the next outcome.

[Jamiet99uk]

On reflection I think claiming Doc makes Rdrivera marginally more likely to be town.

My logic is that in a setup with *unknown* PRs, if you're scum then claiming VT is actually a safer bet than claiming a standard town PR like Doc or Cop, because a VT claim carries zero risk of counter claim.

In this case, though, rdrivera was likely going to be the DK if he did not claim to be a PR. I think the fact that there has been only one other PR claim is the thing that most supports rdrivera's claim being real, but I am not sure if 2 PRs is any more likely that 1.

It's true that one scenario worth considering is that Flum is the *only* PR in an otherwise very Vanilla setup.

I did half joke at the start that there would be a certain kind of fun in a "closed" setup with no PRs at all.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is not unreasonable for the mafia to have been RBing the NK.

And now you say that could be a RB in play. So, ignore my last message.

If you are the doctor, the mafia having a RB seems reasonable, and there have only been 2 NKs, so if the mafia does have a RB, I would expect the mafia to RB the NK so that they do not have town players claiming to be RBed. However, that would mean the mafia could RB you if you, and we have no way of verifying your RB claim.

This appears mechanically correct.

[bozotheclown]

I’d say Flum goes with their gut here but for info sake:

In no particular target order:

Bozo:
Flum:
Hamilton B: worcej, koala
Jamie:
Koala:
Rivera:
Worcej:

Bozo: worcej, rdrivera
Flum:
Hamilton B: worcej, koala
Jamie:
Koala:
Rivera:
Worcej:

[Jamiet99uk]

How helpful would it be for us to list our preferred pairs? One being the vig shot, the other the day kill. I think it could offer something, or maybe not. I'm thinking small.

However, at rivera's claim there were two wagons. Assuming the validity of the PR claims, we've got a possibilities.

On Rivera were Koala, bozo, worcej.

On bozo were myself and jamie.

Ok my preferred pair is you and Bozo.