Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[brainbomb]

So im gonna throw all my reads and biases out and start fresh.

Maybe its rivera-maniac-vash-ezio?

Idk

They arent really trying.

Most of my scumreads are talking alot. And responding

[dargorygel]

@Brain
I'd shoot balki, since I know he is a better player as town to have his top read be someone that he hasn't read.
I wouldn't follow your request to shoot Demon, but I am not that impressed with Tom's lackluster play here. Usually he is a lot more clever.

[Rjmcf]

Is it worth trying to get the team all at once? Is that like a proven strategy because I haven't been trying that at all.

[Tom Bombadil]

Lackluster play? How vague and unimpressive a reasoning.

[brainbomb]

Who will you shoot

1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle -
3. ND -
4. bozotheclown -
5. Ezio -
6. rdrivera2005 -
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf - Demon or Ezio
9. Balki Bartokomous - would give all a facial then shoot dargo
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic -
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac -
16. dargorygel - WS Balki would not shoot RHK. Unimpressed with tom
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801 -
19. bo_sox48 -
20. MeanLaQueefa - will shoot bb
21. SuperSteve

Please fill this out

[thamrick]

My scumreads of Ezio and Vash are loooongstanding.

Can you point to where, before this post, you scumread Vash? Because as I see it, this is the first you mention Vash, and you immediately jumped off him when you reposted BB's shoot list.

[Rjmcf]

My scumreads of Ezio and Vash are loooongstanding.

Can you point to where, before this post, you scumread Vash? Because as I see it, this is the first you mention Vash, and you immediately jumped off him when you reposted BB's shoot list.

I guess I kept it to myself. It was an early read based on their silence but on rethink I haven't decided if lurkers deserve to die. There are arguments on both sides of that debate. Also Balki was right, I thought lining up even three heads for a trickshot was unlikely. Others have put max two people so I followed suit. Ezio is more scum to me than Vash.

[Rjmcf]

I should post a full set of reads shouldn't I? Give me a second.

[Tom Bombadil]

darg: Can you specify what has been lackluster or not clever about my play?

[bo_sox48]

Some reads:


Town

Foxcastle - as I said before, I do not think that Jamie would have bandwagoned onto me if Foxcastle was his teammate. I saw nothing in the thread to indicate otherwise. As far as I’m concerned, clear town.

DemonRHK - “If my post, and the subsequent heat and discussion it's generated gets one less person to lurk, then it's a success.”

Best line of the game. Won’t get beat. So clearly genuine and well intentioned that it might as well be a townslip, and if you disagree then stop reading this post because I don’t care what you think. Tom and Ezio need to convince me that their vote for him on D1 wasn’t just them being stupid and unreasonable. At least brainbomb is scumreading him with an open mind.

Maniac - he is more concerned about the player list being in alphabetical order than he is scumhunting. Classic Maniac. His vote for brainbomb on page 6 is so hilariously bad. Scum Maniac is bad, but he’s conceited; town Maniac on the other hand would love to solve the puzzle but just has no idea how to do it so he just waits until he has a hand to play. Sheeping MeanLaQueefa onto Balki on page 21 rubbed me the wrong way but it felt like Maniac just not giving a shit as opposed to Maniac trying to skirt around the responsibility of doing something, which means he’s probably town. If yall don’t mislynch him for being a bad townie, maybe he’ll actually be a decent player later in the game once he has some information to trudge through.

Thamrick - high volume poster but not a regular. I would expect him to be a little bit more cautious and to try and backpedal away from drawing major attention to himself if he were scum. Likewise, his vote for ND with 15 minutes to go looks very good if ND is scum.


Scum

ND - his line of questioning on page 7 is incredibly bland and unthoughtful. His posting on page 17 is even worse than page 7 and despite having 10 more pages of information to play with he continues to same shitty line of questioning that he did before. He has made no effort to analyze. Scum ND doesn’t care to analyze but would rather hide in the shadows and live as long as he can without putting any pressure on his teammates and leaving as little trace of his existence as possible. He fits his scum meta, which is why yall wanted to lynch him.

There was no major effort to save Jamie on D1. In fact, Jamie didn’t even try to save himself. Jamie was present at the EOD and could have easily claimed PR or at least tried to save himself, but the next guy on the block was ND. Jamie was the item thief, which in my point of view isn’t a terribly useful role in a setup like this one. If ND were town, Jamie would have made an effort to shift the lynch onto him. I think ND is not only scum but possibly the godfather, or at the very least a role that even Jamie thought was important enough to sacrifice himself in order to keep alive, even if only for a few days.

Assuming that that theory holds true, people that bailed on ND late for Jamie look bad. Snowy, yav, and Balki look suspect. Bozo looks good for dropping a vote on him and then being gone, which I don’t think scum would do to an important teammate, and thamrick looks pretty damn good as well for his late vote shifting over to ND and injecting a little bit of life back into his wagon with 15 minutes to go.

Rjmcf - “Dunno if everyone thinks this is obvious and me spelling it out makes me seem even more stupid, but you expecting to get shot makes it sound a whole lot like you’re not the gunsmith? […] Also can someone answer my questions with more than “bork” please? It’s odd for everyone to have in-jokes and the like that new folks aren’t party to. Also feel free to update the fact that when others explained their viewpoint I agreed that handing out a gun first night makes sense.”

People that get bothered this easily are really bad at hiding their scum traits, and Rjmcf is bad at hiding his scum traits. Particularly, his idea for a town leader is something that newbie scum go for all the time because it takes the responsibility off of their shoulders and puts it on someone else’s and him trying to backpedal away from what he said is hilariously bad. Sheeping a “leader” works on EM but not here. That said, I don’t see any argument for him being coached, at least not so far.

Tom Bombadil - his early play going after RHK just read as really contrived to me. There was nothing to gain from using his energy on trying to interrogate RHK for going after lurkers. In fact, he simply missed the point of what RHK was trying to do and yet stood by it all the way through the end of the day. His D1 was terrible and he coasted through the latter half of the day on the back of bad play in the beginning of the day that he knew he wouldn’t have to answer for because he knew RHK wasn’t a realistic lynch. Curious to see how his play develops.

Yavuzovic - Bussing ND without putting any thought behind it or trying to advance his wagon at all and defending Rjmcf for even less of a reason just rubs me the wrong way. If either or both of ND and Rjmcf flips scum, yavuz needs to go. Maybe he’ll get shot today to save us the guesswork.

Everyone else - null, or I haven't seen anything from you worth caring about.

[dargorygel]

@ Tom
You usually ask more questions, and have more interaction (like this with me.) This does not make me scum read you. I only brought you up because Brain was asking for someone willing to shoot you. I was responding to his statement more than accusing you.

[bo_sox48]

Tom is a bad shot, or at the very least there are quite a few better shots.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Still concur that guns are silly and will likely only result in a dead townie. Only reason to give out a gun is to handle an outed scum or someone we would waste a day lynching. No huge reads, haven't analyzed yesterdays wagons.

[Tom Bombadil]

If you look back and read D1 bo, you'll realize my push on RHK had nothing to do with his stance on lurkers.

[Maniac]

@Bo - Scum Maniac is awesome and even more handsome than town Maniac

@Brainbomb - I'd shoot snowy

[brainbomb]

Who will you shoot

1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle - no answer
3. ND - no answer
4. bozotheclown -no answer
5. Ezio - no answrr
6. rdrivera2005 - no answer despite promising he would at Start of night
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf - Demon or Ezio
9. Balki Bartokomous - would give all a facial then shoot dargo
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic - wants no guns given out
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac - no answer
16. dargorygel - no answer
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801 - no answer
19. bo_sox48 - no answer
20. MeanLaQueefa - will shoot bb
21. SuperSteve

Please fill this out

[Rjmcf]

UGH my internet just puked and I lost my post. Give me another few minutes.

[brainbomb]

Who will you shoot

1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle - no answer
3. ND - no answer
4. bozotheclown -no answer
5. Ezio - no answrr
6. rdrivera2005 - no answer despite promising he would at Start of night
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf - Demon or Ezio
9. Balki Bartokomous - would give all a facial then shoot dargo
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic - wants no guns given out
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac - WS snowy
16. dargorygel - no answer
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801 - no answer
19. bo_sox48 - no answer
20. MeanLaQueefa - will shoot bb
21. SuperSteve

Please fill this out

[dargorygel]

@brain
I answered

[bo_sox48]

If you look back and read D1 bo, you'll realize my push on RHK had nothing to do with his stance on lurkers.

I happily admit that I breezed through that pretty quickly, but I do believe that your reasoning was that you thought he was trying to give himself an excuse to lurk while also simultaneously going for lurkers. Am I getting warmer?