MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

@rdr if you’re not able to hunt today then we should no kill.

If you’re around. I’d like your input and hunting.

[rdrivera2005]

I am around but I don't know how much time I will have as I will have visits later. Tomorrow I should have a bit more time.

If we are going to no-kill I suggest we hammer before the EOD time today, so next night will end on Sunday night and we don't drag the game too much.

[damo666]

there's currently 2 town and 2 scum voting to no-kill.

rdr's reason is the best one I've seen so far. To no-kill and not-end.

Correct

Wrt rdr's reasoning I'm not sure I agree. It was fairly obvious KA was gambler (why didn't he announce his bet D4 btw he could have got a save) and it was a fair assumption he hadn't bet on Bo so if I had TG I might be tempted to save it and kill KA before he was able to get a save the next day for the following night. There would be the danger (1 in 4 say) TG would be killed the next day before being able to kill the potential CWV but this might be a risk they are willing to take (especially if Balki or rdr are TG). Any way I certainly wouldn't put TG < 40%, I'd say 50/50 and with no Quack doc or RB reports possibly higher.

Both scum are voting no kill which tells you something itself.

IF YOU ARE TOWN GET OFF NO KILL

@Bunny if we remain at No Kill and TG doesn't kill you then almost certainly I will be the night kill. I don't know what to tell you really, I suspect Chaqa the most and rdr the least but there are no outliers and I can't really rule out any pair.

I wasn't weighting the need to kill Koala because of the possible item he will get, you have a valid point. So, TG is still a possibility. Do you think taking the risk today and going for a regular voting is the best choice?

I think it's more likely a Chaqa/Bozo then Chaqa/Balki. Both scum jumping on no-kill so fast doesn't seems that likely.

I would prefer regular voting.

Assuming you are town and you are right about it not being Chaqa/Balki it could also be Balki/Bozo.

[damo666]

I am around but I don't know how much time I will have as I will have visits later. Tomorrow I should have a bit more time.

If we are going to no-kill I suggest we hammer before the EOD time today, so next night will end on Sunday night and we don't drag the game too much.

If you can contribute tomorrow suggest you move off no kill.

[BunnyGo]

I’ll pay off to Damo/rdr having me pocketed.

I want to hit the non-town in Balki/Bozo/chaqa. Let’s GOGOGOGOGO

[rdrivera2005]

Correct

Wrt rdr's reasoning I'm not sure I agree. It was fairly obvious KA was gambler (why didn't he announce his bet D4 btw he could have got a save) and it was a fair assumption he hadn't bet on Bo so if I had TG I might be tempted to save it and kill KA before he was able to get a save the next day for the following night. There would be the danger (1 in 4 say) TG would be killed the next day before being able to kill the potential CWV but this might be a risk they are willing to take (especially if Balki or rdr are TG). Any way I certainly wouldn't put TG < 40%, I'd say 50/50 and with no Quack doc or RB reports possibly higher.

Both scum are voting no kill which tells you something itself.

IF YOU ARE TOWN GET OFF NO KILL

@Bunny if we remain at No Kill and TG doesn't kill you then almost certainly I will be the night kill. I don't know what to tell you really, I suspect Chaqa the most and rdr the least but there are no outliers and I can't really rule out any pair.

I wasn't weighting the need to kill Koala because of the possible item he will get, you have a valid point. So, TG is still a possibility. Do you think taking the risk today and going for a regular voting is the best choice?

I think it's more likely a Chaqa/Bozo then Chaqa/Balki. Both scum jumping on no-kill so fast doesn't seems that likely.

I would prefer regular voting.

Assuming you are town and you are right about it not being Chaqa/Balki it could also be Balki/Bozo.

It could be. Balki calling Bozo about the no-kill and suspecting him could be classic scum distancing.

[rdrivera2005]

I’ll pay off to Damo/rdr having me pocketed.

I want to hit the non-town in Balki/Bozo/chaqa. Let’s GOGOGOGOGO

##unvote

If you want to do this I suggest we try to get a consensus or almost and if we can't we can get back to no-kill and have some more time with one less player.

[bozotheclown]

With bo_sox flipping town, I do not have much confidence in my reads. I was town reading Balki and Chaqa, but damo and rdrivera do not seem to fit as a scum pair. First, they ended D1 off the wagons voting for each other, which seems too obvious bussing for mafia teammates. Also, they both ended D2 voting for yavuzovic with lfischl, and it does not seem likely the 3 mafia would vote together when the other wagons were town. If the mafia team was lfischl/damo/rdrivera, the only vote for mafia for the entire D2 would have been rdrivera voting for damo.

There is not much else to go on regarding connections to lfischl, so I am OK with a no-kill to simplify the game, but if the consensus is to go for a mafia DK today, I am OK with that as well.

[bozotheclown]

I’ll pay off to Damo/rdr having me pocketed.

I want to hit the non-town in Balki/Bozo/chaqa. Let’s GOGOGOGOGO

If we choose to DK someone today, you will likely make the call, so if those are your choices, my preference is Chaqa because I think he makes the most sense as a lfischl teammate based on him not giving any read on lfischl until after the mass claims on D3, when lfischl then became Chaqa's top scum read.

[BunnyGo]

I’m around to research tonight/tomorrow.

I suggest people make cases. Today I’m only voting in {Bozo,chaqa,Balki}

And may God have mercy on our souls.

[damo666]

Chaqa or Balki.

[Chaqa]

On principle I'm against voting here. It's irresponsible.

[BunnyGo]

On principle I'm against voting here. It's irresponsible.

Could you explain to me why. Like I’m not that smart.

[BunnyGo]

Chaqa or Balki.

Why?

[BunnyGo]

@bozo: how would you rate the towniness/scumminess of your own voting history?

[BunnyGo]

##vote bozo.

y'all can decide for youselves. Don't just sheep me. But I'm really feeling this and regretting following koala yesterday.

[Chaqa]

On principle I'm against voting here. It's irresponsible.

Could you explain to me why. Like I’m not that smart.

I already did

[damo666]

Good point about the Tough Guy. That guy’s a dick.

Hmmm

[damo666]

Is there some kind of order of operations list for night actions?

What I really want to know is this: if I am Civil War Veteran, should I just claim? Can Mafia actually kill me? Hard for me to tell how Hooker etc interact with that role without an order of night operations. Maybe there is just a Webdip standard that applies?

There was an "order of night actions" in the sign-up thread, but it does not seem to mention the veteran, so I assume the veteran falls under "all other night gunshots".

Bozo's op saying hi to his teammate

[damo666]

Chaqa D1 voting looks more T than S. If he was teammate of fish his last vote prob for me or pyx rather than worcej.