Not a strongman. A tough guy.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pmI guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
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Stop thinking! Comment on the No Kill idea now!!!
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Finding this a little scummy from my man Bozo.
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I think you mean the tough guy.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pmI guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
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Yep.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pmI think you mean the tough guy.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pmI guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
Anyway, best to No Kill considering the CWV, right?
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Even if BunnyGo is the CWV, and the mafia do not have a tough guy, they could NK him to make it 3-1, then we would want to no-kill again to make it 2-1. Or, if the mafia do have a tough guy, it would be 3-2 with no clears.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pmDoesn't that equation change with the CWV?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pmI think it would be considered optimal with no town clears, but not usually with one town clear. Considering the town PR roles still out there, it is not clear to me if it is optimal this game.
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##vote Balki
I hope he's scum rather than stupid.
I hope he's scum rather than stupid.
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I think it benefits town if there is no tough guy and benefits mafia if there is a tough guy, so no way to be sure.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:27 pmYep.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pmI think you mean the tough guy.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pmI guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
Anyway, best to No Kill considering the CWV, right?
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By the way, I would suggest we implement something I learned about over at Mafia Universe ("MU"), At MU, LYLO/MYLO votes lock. So the moment someone votes at that stage of the game, their vote cannot change.
We could effectively do that by insisting that the person who votes first also hammer. That way, if they are a Town player voting for a scum player, the game ends, as both scum players can hammer.
The benefit of this system, is that we learn something after every vote. So let's say we have Bozo vote first. If he votes, and hammers, then we learn that either Bozo is scum, and/or Bozo is voting for scum.
Whomever Bozo voted for would then cross with Bozo, and another player would vote next. If they vote, and the game does not end, it means that they are not a Town player voting for scum, etc.
I think it is a valuable way to run a LYLO/MYLO scenario for town. There are certainly risks, but you also gain information and I think it is an easier way for town to pull out of a hole when we have to vote correctly twice in a row.
I suggest we No Kill now, and have BunnyGo pick the LYLO/MYLO voting order for tomorrow before this day ends. Ideally, BunnyGo should have players he sees as scummier voting earlier in the order.
We could effectively do that by insisting that the person who votes first also hammer. That way, if they are a Town player voting for a scum player, the game ends, as both scum players can hammer.
The benefit of this system, is that we learn something after every vote. So let's say we have Bozo vote first. If he votes, and hammers, then we learn that either Bozo is scum, and/or Bozo is voting for scum.
Whomever Bozo voted for would then cross with Bozo, and another player would vote next. If they vote, and the game does not end, it means that they are not a Town player voting for scum, etc.
I think it is a valuable way to run a LYLO/MYLO scenario for town. There are certainly risks, but you also gain information and I think it is an easier way for town to pull out of a hole when we have to vote correctly twice in a row.
I suggest we No Kill now, and have BunnyGo pick the LYLO/MYLO voting order for tomorrow before this day ends. Ideally, BunnyGo should have players he sees as scummier voting earlier in the order.
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Right.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pmEven if BunnyGo is the CWV, and the mafia do not have a tough guy, they could NK him to make it 3-1, then we would want to no-kill again to make it 2-1. Or, if the mafia do have a tough guy, it would be 3-2 with no clears.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pmDoesn't that equation change with the CWV?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pm
I think it would be considered optimal with no town clears, but not usually with one town clear. Considering the town PR roles still out there, it is not clear to me if it is optimal this game.
2-1 is much better than 4-2. And we'd have a bunch more information to review.
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If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.
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##Vote no-kill
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Seems straightforward today.
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Seems straightforward today.
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I'll be back next day phase. Going to unplug for awhile.
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Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:40 pmIf you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.
I cannot elaborate but I think no kill is the wrong way to go.
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I'd like you to elaborate.damo666 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:49 pmSorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:40 pmIf you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.
I cannot elaborate but I think no kill is the wrong way to go.
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Why would you say "I cannot elaborate"?
We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.
We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.
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Al good, by the way. I am feeling prickly about that because of a different thing. You are relatively restrained and polite. Respect.
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Scum may not have thought of what worries me so I don't want to 'out' it. Problem is town may not have thought of it either.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:59 pmWhy would you say "I cannot elaborate"?
We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.
For the timebeing can we not rush a no kill.
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