MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Balki Bartokomous]

I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.

Not a strongman. A tough guy.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Stop thinking! Comment on the No Kill idea now!!!

[Balki Bartokomous]

Finding this a little scummy from my man Bozo.

[bozotheclown]

I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.

I think you mean the tough guy.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.

I think you mean the tough guy.

Yep.

Anyway, best to No Kill considering the CWV, right?

[bozotheclown]

Isn't it optimal to No Kill today at 4-2?

I think it would be considered optimal with no town clears, but not usually with one town clear. Considering the town PR roles still out there, it is not clear to me if it is optimal this game.

Doesn't that equation change with the CWV?

Even if BunnyGo is the CWV, and the mafia do not have a tough guy, they could NK him to make it 3-1, then we would want to no-kill again to make it 2-1. Or, if the mafia do have a tough guy, it would be 3-2 with no clears.

[damo666]

##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.

[bozotheclown]

I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.

I think you mean the tough guy.

Yep.

Anyway, best to No Kill considering the CWV, right?

I think it benefits town if there is no tough guy and benefits mafia if there is a tough guy, so no way to be sure.

[Balki Bartokomous]

By the way, I would suggest we implement something I learned about over at Mafia Universe ("MU"), At MU, LYLO/MYLO votes lock. So the moment someone votes at that stage of the game, their vote cannot change.

We could effectively do that by insisting that the person who votes first also hammer. That way, if they are a Town player voting for a scum player, the game ends, as both scum players can hammer.

The benefit of this system, is that we learn something after every vote. So let's say we have Bozo vote first. If he votes, and hammers, then we learn that either Bozo is scum, and/or Bozo is voting for scum.

Whomever Bozo voted for would then cross with Bozo, and another player would vote next. If they vote, and the game does not end, it means that they are not a Town player voting for scum, etc.

I think it is a valuable way to run a LYLO/MYLO scenario for town. There are certainly risks, but you also gain information and I think it is an easier way for town to pull out of a hole when we have to vote correctly twice in a row.

I suggest we No Kill now, and have BunnyGo pick the LYLO/MYLO voting order for tomorrow before this day ends. Ideally, BunnyGo should have players he sees as scummier voting earlier in the order.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think it would be considered optimal with no town clears, but not usually with one town clear. Considering the town PR roles still out there, it is not clear to me if it is optimal this game.

Doesn't that equation change with the CWV?

Even if BunnyGo is the CWV, and the mafia do not have a tough guy, they could NK him to make it 3-1, then we would want to no-kill again to make it 2-1. Or, if the mafia do have a tough guy, it would be 3-2 with no clears.

Right.

2-1 is much better than 4-2. And we'd have a bunch more information to review.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.

Classy.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.

If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.

[Chaqa]

##Vote no-kill
##end

Seems straightforward today.

[Chaqa]

I'll be back next day phase. Going to unplug for awhile.

[damo666]

##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.

If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.

Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.

I cannot elaborate but I think no kill is the wrong way to go.

[damo666]

##vote Chaqa

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.

If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.

Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.

I cannot elaborate but I think no kill is the wrong way to go.

I'd like you to elaborate.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Why would you say "I cannot elaborate"?

We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.

Al good, by the way. I am feeling prickly about that because of a different thing. You are relatively restrained and polite. Respect.

[damo666]

Why would you say "I cannot elaborate"?

We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.

Scum may not have thought of what worries me so I don't want to 'out' it. Problem is town may not have thought of it either.

For the timebeing can we not rush a no kill.