Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[bozotheclown]

I do not think that ND can be considered cleared, but his vote for Jamie makes him look better since it came at a time when it would be unlikely to bus.

There was talk of yavuzovic voting to tie the vote, but the record does not show that. Peter's tool shows that snowy tied the vote with 2 minutes to go. Am I missing something?

[thamrick]

My top scumread is coming around for me to be less than top, that is why not rdrvira

What does this mean? I thought rdrivera was your top scumread?

[bozotheclown]

@Tom: Why would you shoot me?

[DemonRHK]

Demon, why do you think I'm mafia? From your post, it seems like it is just because of what rjm has said about me. You even said my interaction with jamie made me look more town, before you put a scumread on me. You don't know rjm is bad, you do know jamie was, it feels like you're weighting things differently than you should. Please consider at least shooting rjm first. What you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also, when did I push with jamie?

Rj has defended you to the ends of the earth, and Jamie had you as a townread. Jamie isn't dumb, even though he is dead. My current line of thinking is Rj sheeped him too hard, he tried to bus RJj and make you look good. He had a townread on you solid all day. Combined with other things that look a little out of place (The witch comment, the fact that Rj's recent post sound like they were something you would say, indicating possible coaching) leave me to think you're not on the up and up.

[brainbomb]

Who will you shoot


1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle
3. ND
4. bozotheclown
5. Ezio
6. rdrivera2005
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf
9. Balki Bartokomous
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac
16. dargorygel
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801
19. bo_sox48
20. MeanLaQueefa
21. SuperSteve

Please fill this out

[Tom Bombadil]

I would shoot you because you started the wagon on ND (right after snowy put the first vote on) - who I believe is town. Then left, which is classic scum move. Plus I have several townreads after D1 and you aren't one of them. Thus, a decent chance you are scum.

[brainbomb]

Tom, the way you and RHK have both dropped off each others scumreads is scummy.

RHK was convinced ezio or you had to be scum.

[bozotheclown]

@Tom: I had to leave 2 hours before EOD and knew I was unlikely to get back on, so I voted for the most viable candidate that I found suspicious. My vote for ND brought him up to 3 votes to tie him with DemonRHK, who I town read. I stated at the time that I expected to miss EOD. I found ND suspicious because his two scum reads at the time were brain and snowy, the two that were voting for him, and he voted for brain, an unCCed PR, however unlikely it is that brain is actually the gunsmith.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki: "I voted Jamiet before it was cool. I stayed on Jamiet until there were 5 minutes left in the phase, and the vote looked like this:

ND (5): snowy801, bozotheclown, Rjmcf, Foxcastle, thamrick
Balki Bartokomous (4): MeanLaQueefa, yavuzovic, Maniac, VashtaNeurotic
Jamiet99uk (4): Balki Bartokomous, DemonRHK, brainbomb, ND

My vote made it ND (6), Balki (4).

Wouldn't you do the same?"

If I'm reading the vote tracker right, it was Jamie:5,ND:5, Balki:4, before you switched your vote, giving ND: 6 and Jamie:4, you made ND the top lynch and pushed jamie down. What gives with switching against the only person you voted for that day right when they tied for the top and you disagreeing with the vote tracker?

And to answer yet another of balki's dumb questions that have already been answered, as I said at the beginning of the thread, I have no experience playing online mafia, just a huge amount playing regular mafia. Like probably up near a hundred irl games, counting times I've played and modded. I've also played the resistance a ton, probably even more than mafia.

@MLQ, I don’t understand why you say things like “another of Balki’s dumb questions.” You seem intent on discrediting me. Odd. Thanks for your answer.

Regarding the vote count, your recap does not sound correct to me. There were 4 on Jamiet. The vote count I give above is copied and pasted from the thread just above my vote. Who do you have as the missing vote on Jamiet?

[brainbomb]

If someone is willing to hero shoot tom or DRHK I will gun the living fuck out of them

[Tom Bombadil]

@brain - Demon has not fallen off my radar, though my read of him has lightened.

@bozo - Thats fine. But its an easy story for scum to make up - and the vote on a wagon that looks like it could gain steam and then disappearing to let a scumbuddy pick up the mantle is classic scum. Its possible you are telling the truth, but I've seen that play many times from scum.

And why didn't you say at the time what you thought about ND? You said some generic spiel about him not acting his usual town self, instead of the specific reason you just gave. Seems odd to not be specific when placing a vote, and only specific when questioned about it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

If I received a gun, I’m sure I would waive it around and threaten people obnoxiously for a while. Then I’d shoot my top scum read in the face. Right now, that’s Darg.

[brainbomb]

Who will you shoot


1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle
3. ND
4. bozotheclown
5. Ezio
6. rdrivera2005
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf
9. Balki Bartokomous - will give many people a facial then shoot darg
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac
16. dargorygel
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801
19. bo_sox48
20. MeanLaQueefa
21. SuperSteve

Please fill this out

[Rjmcf]

Who will you shoot


1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle
3. ND
4. bozotheclown
5. Ezio
6. rdrivera2005
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf - WS RHK, Tom, Ezio, Vash
9. Balki Bartokomous - will give many people a facial then shoot darg
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac
16. dargorygel
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801
19. bo_sox48
20. MeanLaQueefa
21. SuperSteve

Please fill this out

[Tom Bombadil]

@rj: why would you shoot those people?

[DemonRHK]

Reads evolve Brain. Tom showed up and has started actually taking part. I think Ezio was just being a fucking idiot. I'm pretty solidly convinced on Steve/Rj/Mean at this time. If you're going to have my ass shot, have it shot for a real reason, not because you don't like that I'm not uselessly tunneling.

[brainbomb]

Based on how RHK voted Jamie and accused me of bailing on it.

This represents
■ knowing jamie was scum
■ needing a way to push a wagon for cred
■ rhk is simply not acting like a townie who caught scum.

er=DemonRHK
DemonRHK
Day-1 00:28
page 25 30 to EoD. Steve looks like a modkill. I'm going to consolidate onto Jamie, regardless that brain bailed it.

##Vote Jamie

And

Night 1, Page 28 : g=34&part=Night%201&user=DemonRHK
DemonRHK
Night-1 23:49
page 28 Holy shit that's fucking awesome.

There is no progression from townreading jamie.

Rhk dove on here before it was likeliest to flip.

At the time RHK joins its a (2)

[brainbomb]

RHK joins it only as I move onto vash.

I dunno if yall realize this but... RHK is not traditionally a great scumhunter. This should be red flags for anyone. He should be the nk if hes town

[Rjmcf]

I’m on my phone, currently at a McDs cuz I’ve been driving and teaching lessons and all sorts of stuff, but I have counters to your arguments and I will present them when I can.

I will say this. I was coached by brainbomb, Mean, etc, anyone who said I was stupid for tunnelling and focusing on B.B. and dirtying up the thread. Whoever said they e never seen someone do a 180 before, have you seriously never had a first game player try out a strategy on D1, be criticised for it, and then change it by N1? I’m learning the game, that’s what you WANT new townies to do!

People posting reads are leading by example, people looking for connections are leading by example, people finding scum are leading by example. I don’t think it’s weird or scummy that I’m following.

But honestly, grill me. If that helps you cement that I’m town, I’m fine with that. Shoot me if you need to. I just want town to win on my first game, that’s my only goal.

[DemonRHK]

Holy fuck Rj. Now I am 110% sold he's scum. Brain, if you really are the damn smith give the gun to someone to shoot him. Literally putting me and Tom there right after you said that, could it be any more obvious? He wants the gun so he's saying anything brain wants to hear.