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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#61 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:11 am

So we know he was a Catholic, European military man who wasn't a native English speaker, born between 1600 and 1699.

Hopefully that's enough questions about his exact date of birth.

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#62 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:24 am


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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#63 Post by Szpoti » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:23 am

My guess John III Sobieski?

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#64 Post by JECE » Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:01 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:24 am
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#65 Post by JECE » Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:02 am

Szpoti wrote:
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My guess John III Sobieski?
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#66 Post by Szpoti » Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:47 am

Native speaker of a Romance language?

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#67 Post by damo666 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:13 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:11 am
So we know he was a Catholic, European military man who wasn't a native English speaker, born between 1600 and 1699.

Hopefully that's enough questions about his exact date of birth.
Date of death might be useful.

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#68 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:54 pm

Did he die before 1690?

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#69 Post by JECE » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:26 pm

Szpoti wrote:
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Native speaker of a Romance language?
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#70 Post by JECE » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:27 pm

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Did he die before 1690?
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#71 Post by Szpoti » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:57 pm

I would go for Loius XIV, but the cause of his death was exceptionally well documented.

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#72 Post by Kakarroto » Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:58 pm

JECE wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:01 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:24 am
Is he listed on this page:

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/17th-ce ... eaders.php
No
Just to make it faster to check in future, here is the full list from the page:

1) Tokugawa Ieyasu
2) John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough
3) Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
4) Oliver Cromwell
5) Henry Morgan
6) Albrecht von Wallenstein
7) Philippe II, Duke of Orléans
8) Prince Rupert of the Rhine
9) John III Sobieski
10) Prince Eugene of Savoy
11) Michiel de Ruyter
12) Maurice de Saxe
13) James Oglethorpe
14) Malhar Rao Holkar
15) Nanny of the Maroons
16) Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne de Turenne
17) Koxinga
18) Bohdan Khemlnytsky
19) Daniel Morgan
20) Myles Standish
21) Toyotomi Hideyori
22) Eward Braddock
23) Thomas Fairax
24) James FitzJames, 1st Duke of Berwick
25) Simon Fraser, 11th Lord Lovat
26) Thomas Wentworth, 1st earl of Strafford
27) Wu Sangui
28) James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
29) Louis, Grand Condé
30) Tokugawa Tsunayoshi
31) Maurice, Prince of Orange
32) Johann Tserclaes, Count of Tilly
33) Jan Pieterszoon Coen
34) Thomas Blood
35) Nathaniel Bacon
36) Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Grafton
37) Lord George Murray
38) Henry Ireton
39) Maximilian II Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria
40) Edward Montagu, 1st Earl of Sandwich
41) Alexander Spotswood
42) Thomas Harrison
43) Piet Pieterszoon Hein
44) Jean Bart
45) John Campbell, 2nd Duke of Argyll
46) Thomas Howard, 11st Earl of Suffolk
47) Maarten Tromp
48) John Felton
49) John Benbow
50) Malik Ambar

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#73 Post by damo666 » Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:20 am

Did he have a Royal title?

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#74 Post by Kakarroto » Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:25 am

Where I'm currently at:

French:
Louis Charles César Le Tellier (died in Paris)
Jean-Baptiste François des Marets, Marquis de Maillebois (died in Paris)
François-Marie, 1st duc de Broglie (died in Broglie)
Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville (died suddenly in Havana; had previously Malaria; some think he caught yellow fever)
Louis Joseph, Duke of Vendôme (died at Vinaròs during campaign)
Claude Louis Hector de Villars (died at Turin during campaign)
Anne Jules de Noailles (died in Versailles)
Anne Hilarion de Tourville (died in Paris)
Nicolas Catinat (died at Saint-Gratien)
Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban (died in Paris)
Maréchal Luxembourg (François-Henri de Montmorency, duc de Luxembourg) (died in Versailles in bed after an illness)
François de Créquy (died in paris)

Portuguese:
António Luís de Sousa, 2nd Marquis of Minas (died in Portugal)
José da Silva Pais (died in Lisbon)

Italian:
Francesco Morosini (died in Nauplia)

I didn't find any fitting military personel for Spain (either born too late or died too soon) or Romania (bad time period for Romania the 17th century is), at least for my limited search; it might be there are many fitting people, just I don't have access to that information at this time.

I checked and I haven't used my free guess here, and due to the nature of Question 11, the cause of death, my best bet would be Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville since the english wikipedia page is questioning it and the german wikipedia page states the cause of death as fact.

Other than that, only Claude Louis Hector de Villars seems to have a similar (if milder) strange death story, he went to campaign 'energetically' but died at campaign at Turin. (In the german version it says though, his health was degrading and he was unsatisfied with his comrads in arms so he asked for recall from the army and died on an illness at Turin while he was travelling home.)

Hmm ... well at least it's interesting that there is (sometimes) such a big difference in the wikipedia articles. It kinda comes down to a coinflip for me ... well that is, if one of them is correct, maybe both are wrong. But I don't think I'll find a better answer with my current research and I'm at a point where I don't know better, so for this time, my last hurrah before I leave the field (for this question).

Anyway, for my (personal) 50/50, since one died at 81 and the other one only got to 44 years, my free guess is: Was it Claude Louis Hector de Villars?

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#75 Post by JECE » Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:26 am

Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:58 pm
JECE wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:01 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:24 am
Is he listed on this page:

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/17th-ce ... eaders.php
No
Just to make it faster to check in future, here is the full list from the page:

1) Tokugawa Ieyasu
2) John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough
3) Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
4) Oliver Cromwell
5) Henry Morgan
6) Albrecht von Wallenstein
7) Philippe II, Duke of Orléans
8) Prince Rupert of the Rhine
9) John III Sobieski
10) Prince Eugene of Savoy
11) Michiel de Ruyter
12) Maurice de Saxe
13) James Oglethorpe
14) Malhar Rao Holkar
15) Nanny of the Maroons
16) Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne de Turenne
17) Koxinga
18) Bohdan Khemlnytsky
19) Daniel Morgan
20) Myles Standish
21) Toyotomi Hideyori
22) Eward Braddock
23) Thomas Fairax
24) James FitzJames, 1st Duke of Berwick
25) Simon Fraser, 11th Lord Lovat
26) Thomas Wentworth, 1st earl of Strafford
27) Wu Sangui
28) James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
29) Louis, Grand Condé
30) Tokugawa Tsunayoshi
31) Maurice, Prince of Orange
32) Johann Tserclaes, Count of Tilly
33) Jan Pieterszoon Coen
34) Thomas Blood
35) Nathaniel Bacon
36) Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Grafton
37) Lord George Murray
38) Henry Ireton
39) Maximilian II Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria
40) Edward Montagu, 1st Earl of Sandwich
41) Alexander Spotswood
42) Thomas Harrison
43) Piet Pieterszoon Hein
44) Jean Bart
45) John Campbell, 2nd Duke of Argyll
46) Thomas Howard, 11st Earl of Suffolk
47) Maarten Tromp
48) John Felton
49) John Benbow
50) Malik Ambar
There are way more than 150 names on that list, FYI.
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#76 Post by Kakarroto » Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:28 am

JECE wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:26 am
There are way more than 150 names on that list, FYI.
Welp, it didn't show me. Anyway, I've made my final guess, if I don't hit I wave the white flag and let you all continue.

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#77 Post by JECE » Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:28 am

JECE wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:26 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:58 pm
JECE wrote:
Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:01 am


No
Just to make it faster to check in future, here is the full list from the page:

1) Tokugawa Ieyasu
2) John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough
3) Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
4) Oliver Cromwell
5) Henry Morgan
6) Albrecht von Wallenstein
7) Philippe II, Duke of Orléans
8) Prince Rupert of the Rhine
9) John III Sobieski
10) Prince Eugene of Savoy
11) Michiel de Ruyter
12) Maurice de Saxe
13) James Oglethorpe
14) Malhar Rao Holkar
15) Nanny of the Maroons
16) Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne de Turenne
17) Koxinga
18) Bohdan Khemlnytsky
19) Daniel Morgan
20) Myles Standish
21) Toyotomi Hideyori
22) Eward Braddock
23) Thomas Fairax
24) James FitzJames, 1st Duke of Berwick
25) Simon Fraser, 11th Lord Lovat
26) Thomas Wentworth, 1st earl of Strafford
27) Wu Sangui
28) James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
29) Louis, Grand Condé
30) Tokugawa Tsunayoshi
31) Maurice, Prince of Orange
32) Johann Tserclaes, Count of Tilly
33) Jan Pieterszoon Coen
34) Thomas Blood
35) Nathaniel Bacon
36) Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Grafton
37) Lord George Murray
38) Henry Ireton
39) Maximilian II Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria
40) Edward Montagu, 1st Earl of Sandwich
41) Alexander Spotswood
42) Thomas Harrison
43) Piet Pieterszoon Hein
44) Jean Bart
45) John Campbell, 2nd Duke of Argyll
46) Thomas Howard, 11st Earl of Suffolk
47) Maarten Tromp
48) John Felton
49) John Benbow
50) Malik Ambar
There are way more than 150 names on that list, FYI.
I meant way more than 50, but more than 150 is actually correct too. That list had 165 names, although some may have been repeats.
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#78 Post by JECE » Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:40 am

damo666 wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:20 am
Did he have a Royal title?
As in, was he a king? Or are you asking whether he received a title from a king?
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#79 Post by JECE » Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:45 am

Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:25 am
Anyway, for my (personal) 50/50, since one died at 81 and the other one only got to 44 years, my free guess is: Was it Claude Louis Hector de Villars?
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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXI

#80 Post by JECE » Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:17 am

JECE wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:40 am
damo666 wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:20 am
Did he have a Royal title?
As in, was he a king? Or are you asking whether he received a title from a king?
And by the way, this is already the 18th question . . .
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