Eden called out this post a couple times (see here and here) and rdr ignored it both times. The first time he gave no response and the second time he changed the subject.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:06 amI really like this post. Not so sure about Eden as I don't read him well, but many townie points to Byz
I will add that Eden is mostly right here. rdr doesn’t tend to have a problem with reading him. Of their recent games together, rdr didn’t provide early comment on PE in M73 (where PE D1 cop claimed) or M67 (when rdr was scum). In all other games, rdr has had no problem giving reads on PE. See: M68, M70, and M71. @rdr, what makes you feel like you’re bad at reading Eden and why haven’t you responded to his previous comments about the matter? Your refusal to read him and later ignoring his comments feels like scum who wants to avoid confrontation.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:52 pmIf I was scum with Byz I would have bussed him hard. Go find a game where I openly defend a scumpartner.President Eden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:41 pmthis post is really sticking in my craw. getting it wrong on Byz is one thing, but I have never seen rdrivera demur on reading me. it just screams “I’m going to back my guy, but not commit to a position I might need to walk back later” to me.
Anyway, don't worry with me, go find the other 3 scum...
In his last post on N1, rdr is still town on Snowy, while being suspicious of Jamie, Bo, and Bona.
Yet his first post in D2, he is voting me. It’s unclear how much of D2 rdr has read at this point, nor what has changed his mind (@rdr, care to clarify?).rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:49 pmLike I said I have pretty good town reads of Rumi, Sabi, Eden, Neon, Worcej and you. And Snowy.
I am a bit suspicious of Jamiet and Bo, maybe Bona. The others are just null.
He gives some insight into what might have changed his mind later.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:56 amI still have a lot of pages to read.
Bona is a good wagon. Eden and Snowy are bad wagons.
##vote Celaph
Now, Jamie’s nametag posts came after rdr’s vote on me and he had limited substantial posts before rdr’s vote with the notable exception of voting Neon, though it’s unclear if rdr had even read to that point. Assuming rdr is operating off of similar info as he was at EoN, I don’t see why he prefers me as a wagon to Jamie or Bo. It’s more plausible that Snowys SoD vote on me was a notable motivating factor. Side note: this also implies that Chaqa’s vote on Jamie was not of interest, suggesting that Chaqa is not scum with rdr.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:09 pmI think Jamiet today got some towny points on the way he qss tryng to get info from nametags and his general play, so he isn't on my radar now
Bo haven't done anything to impress me, but the same can be said about Ghug, Vecna and you to be honest.
There is an argument here that rdr simply choose me over Jamie and Bo for some insignificant reason not worth concerning ourselves with, but that doesn’t explain why he gets incredibly defensive over a tiny amount of push back on his vote.
How hard is it to understand the reasoning behind Chaqa’s vote? Rdr’s words and vote didn’t match. I don’t think this response fits a scenario where he is just casually voting me. It makes far more sense for rdr to be acting this way when he has an ulterior reason to be invested in it.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:01 pmYou don't make any sense with this Bona and Rivera are teammates.Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:33 pmIf Bona and Rivera are scum teammates, maybe it makes sense.Rumi Tobari wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:28 pm
This doesn't make sense to me. Why would rdr say Bona is a good wagon then immediately vote for Celaph. I don't see any clear reasoning or logic to this.
I'd be quite fine with a Rivera wagon.
##Vote rivera
Oh boy, if I'm on personal vanity wagons, I'm basically just the "for awareness" of votes
Show me a game where I have openly tried to defend a scum teammate?
If I was scum with Bona I would either buss him hard or ignore him and wait to see if he get less pressure.
So, go to fake another reason to vote me. In fact, It's a bit of OMGUS but I don't think you are doing this on good faith (I like this expression).
##vote Chaqa
This post is also the second post where rdr claims that he doesn’t defend scum teammates. If he has enough self-awareness to know this about himself, I fully expect that he could change it.
When Rdr ultimately switches his vote off of me and onto Vecna, he does so while implying that ghug is bussing Vecna, listing the potential bus as his reason for the vote instead of independently explaining why Vecna is scummy, something he only does later once asked.
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:33 pmThat's something I can do.
You can even be bussing him.
##vote Vecna
This implies that rdr sees a connection between ghug and Vecna that he just never explains. Either that, or he has a scum ghug read in his world that he’s trying to set up and is shaping his behavior to try to fit to this prebuilt worldview instead of adapting his worldview to the game. I think the latter option is more likely and not at all towny.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:47 amAnyway, I think someone asked me why Vecna. I usually can easily town read him on his catch up posts where it's easy to follow his thought process. This game I didn't see this and the only moment he seems excited was when Demon was editing the rules document, which is weird.
Secondly, while implying that ghug is bussing also implies that ghug is scum, rdr makes no comment on my vote of ghug. No note of support, no comment that his mind has changed. I think he realized that his comments there weren’t towny and just tried to avoid confrontation about it.
As of well into D2, rdr was still townreading Snowy.
A fact that I don’t think is substantially damped by his later comments that Snowy is trying to set up a cw there.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:43 amI didn't think Byz was scum (in fact I townread her because of one post where he have the same feeling as I did) so I am not scumreading you.
As I’ve since highlighted, Snowy made lots of people potential counterwagons with rdr far from leading that list. I think that fact would be obvious to any honest interpretation of even just Snowy’s votes from the day. I think the only reason rdr called attention to the counterwagon on himself was to use it later days.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:43 amThis post is really interesting. You set three people to be a possible counterwagon without any specific reason.
With that in mind, I doubt the veracity of his comment at EoN3
I think it’s stretching the facts to say that he would have voted Snowy if not for the bomb stuff. He wasn’t scumreading Snowy for most of the day and even when he supposedly was, his reasoning wasn’t good and his vote was on Vecna. It’s more plainly false to note that Snowy didn’t just vote for him as soon as he became a wagon. Chaqa had started the rdr wagon long before Snowy became the second member. He’s also lying by omission to leave out the fact that at the end of the day, Snowy pushed against his wagon.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:51 amI called him on shading me and setting counterwagons and he just ignored and voted me without any reasoning as soon as I become a wagon. Should have trusted my instincts and voted him but I fell for the bomb bullshit.