MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

@rumi
Why is a tie goodly today?

My understanding is that a tie means nobody dies? And that seems the only way to keep Eden in because while Sabi is all "I just want to save your spot" Sabi noticably tried to vote andother person over Eden. (and I really only picked the non-present people everyone else seems to jump on for lack of acvitity, which seems like a pretty reasonable reason to choose someone without info)

Annd basisially I have a pre-stated personal investment in keeping Eden in because his explanations and such for things are some what beneficial for me fro mym social anxiety standpoint.

The problem with a tie in this setup is the effect of the name tags.

One of us is wearing a name tag which doubles their vote.

One of us is wearing a name tag which nullifies their vote.

So orchestrating a tie cannot be achieved with any certainty.

While going through Jamie iso I wanted to bring up something he neglected in regards to votes:

If someone has the deathbomb nametag, when they day killed, the person with the next highest vote count also dies.

[President Eden]

I also just realized my vote never counted.

*insert confused anime gif*

Was it Byz? You’d stated suspicion of him at some point.

[BesharamSabi]

I hate that I can't quote multiple posts at once on here or even reference post numbers. I feel spoiled by other sites.

[ghug]

I checked your iso on peterbot and you never explained your reads before this post.

Is the townslip of Rumi the same one that eden pointed out? Also I disagree on your Jamie point.

It is. I in fact pointed it out myself earlier, which should be apparent from my iso, as should at least most of the other opinions I expressed here.

Why do you disagree about Jamie? Where's the substance?

I feel like w!Jamiet wouldn't go out of his way to antagonize people like this:

• http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 52#p305852
  
  Do you think w!Jamie would purposely go back into the thread and bring up eden looking sus when he knew he would lose any thunder dome that would have happened? W!Jamie also would not constantly bring up said point over and over again while explaining his read on eden if people were ignoring him. It's very towny of him to constantly bring it up:
  
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 61#p305861
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 05#p305905

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

[BesharamSabi]

Is it true that you have never seen Sabi try to read me based on vibes before this game? (ie from reading past games of ours)

I think you are misreading my intent but yes

I haven’t said anything about your intent.

I ask because, as I am sure several people will vouch—at the very least they can vouch—Sabi susses me for “vibes” at some point in almost every social deduction game we have ever played. Sabi’s done it in every mafia game we’ve played. I’ve literally been town every time. Sabi’s done it in the vast majority of Among Us games we played back when we had a regular group for that. Just through sheer volume Sabi got some of those right, but their track record was not particularly outstanding. When you call it every single time, or close to it, you’ll get some right through sheer happenstance, but that doesn’t inspire confidence in your predictive power.

I don’t discount the value of intuition in a general sense, I use it myself all the time (although I try my best to couch my pushes in more objective data for persuasion’s sake). I don’t even discount the value of Sabi’s intuition with mafia players generally. I have no real reason to doubt that Sabi has done well elsewhere with this style.

I do specifically discount the value of Sabi’s intuition regarding me, because Sabi has been wrong about these reads with me in the vast majority of cases, and I happen to know Sabi is wrong this time, too.

To be fair in among us you quite literally start over explaining yourself and tend to agenda when you were imposter. My among us read on you was more accurate than not

[ghug]

I hate that I can't quote multiple posts at once on here or even reference post numbers. I feel spoiled by other sites.

You can. See:

It is. I in fact pointed it out myself earlier, which should be apparent from my iso, as should at least most of the other opinions I expressed here.

Why do you disagree about Jamie? Where's the substance?

I feel like w!Jamiet wouldn't go out of his way to antagonize people like this:

• http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 52#p305852
  
  Do you think w!Jamie would purposely go back into the thread and bring up eden looking sus when he knew he would lose any thunder dome that would have happened? W!Jamie also would not constantly bring up said point over and over again while explaining his read on eden if people were ignoring him. It's very towny of him to constantly bring it up:
  
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 61#p305861
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 05#p305905

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

[Princess Neon]

I also just realized my vote never counted.

*insert confused anime gif*

Was it Byz? You’d stated suspicion of him at some point.

No I meme voted Celaph for zero posting.

I might still vote another zero poster but I got pinged by something.

[BesharamSabi]

It is. I in fact pointed it out myself earlier, which should be apparent from my iso, as should at least most of the other opinions I expressed here.

Why do you disagree about Jamie? Where's the substance?

I feel like w!Jamiet wouldn't go out of his way to antagonize people like this:

• http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 52#p305852
  
  Do you think w!Jamie would purposely go back into the thread and bring up eden looking sus when he knew he would lose any thunder dome that would have happened? W!Jamie also would not constantly bring up said point over and over again while explaining his read on eden if people were ignoring him. It's very towny of him to constantly bring it up:
  
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 61#p305861
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 05#p305905

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

Saying M!Jamie looks weirder than W!Jamie. It's what I'm used to. I interchange both terms, just deal with it.

Regardless, when has t!Jamie not overblown simple jokes before? He has overreacted about jokes as a host. Him overreacting about a joke isn't AI but the way he's going about this is. No one is taking interest in his reads yet he keeps repeating them. Any scum would have dropped it becuase it draws unnecessary attention and waste of energy. Town Jamie, when he notices something he views as bad, will not let it go.

Tldr: Behaviorally this is town Jamie because he can't tell jokes and will do anything to point out something is bad so he can look good.

[BesharamSabi]

I hate that I can't quote multiple posts at once on here or even reference post numbers. I feel spoiled by other sites.

You can. See:

I feel like w!Jamiet wouldn't go out of his way to antagonize people like this:

• http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 52#p305852
  
  Do you think w!Jamie would purposely go back into the thread and bring up eden looking sus when he knew he would lose any thunder dome that would have happened? W!Jamie also would not constantly bring up said point over and over again while explaining his read on eden if people were ignoring him. It's very towny of him to constantly bring it up:
  
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 61#p305861
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 05#p305905

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

Yea but it's manually. I miss having a button to collect all the posts and then spits it all out in one new post for me. I'm lazy.

[President Eden]

I feel like w!Jamiet wouldn't go out of his way to antagonize people like this:

• http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 52#p305852
  
  Do you think w!Jamie would purposely go back into the thread and bring up eden looking sus when he knew he would lose any thunder dome that would have happened? W!Jamie also would not constantly bring up said point over and over again while explaining his read on eden if people were ignoring him. It's very towny of him to constantly bring it up:
  
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 61#p305861
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 05#p305905

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

Saying M!Jamie looks weirder than W!Jamie. It's what I'm used to. I interchange both terms, just deal with it.

Regardless, when has t!Jamie not overblown simple jokes before? He has overreacted about jokes as a host. Him overreacting about a joke isn't AI but the way he's going about this is. No one is taking interest in his reads yet he keeps repeating them. Any scum would have dropped it becuase it draws unnecessary attention and waste of energy. Town Jamie, when he notices something he views as bad, will not let it go.

Tldr: Behaviorally this is town Jamie because he can't tell jokes and will do anything to point out something is bad so he can look good.

I don’t know if I agree with this analysis, but this is the approach I was hoping to see FWIW.

More precisely I think it’s a bit more nuanced, which I know is frustrating when you’re trying to find your footing, but approaching it with this type of frame will get you where you want to be.

[BesharamSabi]

Idk I feel like celaph is town this game. I feel like he's been too utr for my liking but it's whatever.

*cue him being MIA during night one and get limmed day two and flips mafia*

[celaph]

That’s not what Rumi did, though. Rumi actually specifically called Byz’s read “reasonable but dangerous,” then proceeded to spend the rest of the post describing how he could be getting deceived by Rumi—not how he could be buddying Rumi.

If Rumi had expressed suspicion of Byz for getting to the right answer with relatively little data, then I’d agree with you, but that’s not what Rumi did. Rumi instead suggested that Byz might have set himself up to be fooled. That’s mafia indicative to me, particularly for newer mafia players.

I'm with Eden on this one. I think his interest in Rumi is reasonably well explained by Rumi being a new player who is playing atypically. He seems miffed that he's getting pressure over this, but I'm not seeing it as scum indicative.

[celaph]

Feel like this post makes them likely town though. It's the exact sort of post a newbie trying to solve makes to try to understand the game. One that would be much more likely to made if they had scum chat to turn to.

##UNVOTE for now, but my vote needs a new home

Its a logic problem mindset. I'll always have this. Something of an obsession with understanding how and why. Mysteries are supposed to be solvable by the reader. (or in this case the participants)

This is Mafia, not And Then There Were None (and yes, this is a dig at Christie's writing)

This person is town and I will die on that hill. This play is not scum.

Also hi hi.

What makes you so confident in this read?

[BesharamSabi]

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

Saying M!Jamie looks weirder than W!Jamie. It's what I'm used to. I interchange both terms, just deal with it.

Regardless, when has t!Jamie not overblown simple jokes before? He has overreacted about jokes as a host. Him overreacting about a joke isn't AI but the way he's going about this is. No one is taking interest in his reads yet he keeps repeating them. Any scum would have dropped it becuase it draws unnecessary attention and waste of energy. Town Jamie, when he notices something he views as bad, will not let it go.

Tldr: Behaviorally this is town Jamie because he can't tell jokes and will do anything to point out something is bad so he can look good.

I don’t know if I agree with this analysis, but this is the approach I was hoping to see FWIW.

More precisely I think it’s a bit more nuanced, which I know is frustrating when you’re trying to find your footing, but approaching it with this type of frame will get you where you want to be.

I have been playing like this elsewhere so that's why I was frustrated no one was taking the game seriously and wasn't asking me questions to explain my reads. I can't produce this stuff organically yet so that's why I want people to question my reads.

[BesharamSabi]

Idk I feel like celaph is town this game. I feel like he's been too utr for my liking but it's whatever.

*cue him being MIA during night one and get limmed day two and flips mafia*

UTR = under the radar

[ghug]

I feel like w!Jamiet wouldn't go out of his way to antagonize people like this:

• http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 52#p305852
  
  Do you think w!Jamie would purposely go back into the thread and bring up eden looking sus when he knew he would lose any thunder dome that would have happened? W!Jamie also would not constantly bring up said point over and over again while explaining his read on eden if people were ignoring him. It's very towny of him to constantly bring it up:
  
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 61#p305861
  • http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 05#p305905

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

Saying M!Jamie looks weirder than W!Jamie. It's what I'm used to. I interchange both terms, just deal with it.

Regardless, when has t!Jamie not overblown simple jokes before? He has overreacted about jokes as a host. Him overreacting about a joke isn't AI but the way he's going about this is. No one is taking interest in his reads yet he keeps repeating them. Any scum would have dropped it becuase it draws unnecessary attention and waste of energy. Town Jamie, when he notices something he views as bad, will not let it go.

Tldr: Behaviorally this is town Jamie because he can't tell jokes and will do anything to point out something is bad so he can look good.

Blowing jokes out of proportion is exactly what any version of Jamie does, yes. My issue is the way he's milking it. It felt more like he wanted everyone to know he was doing it than like he was actually concerned.

[BesharamSabi]

I also just realized my vote never counted.

*insert confused anime gif*

Was it Byz? You’d stated suspicion of him at some point.

No I meme voted Celaph for zero posting.

I might still vote another zero poster but I got pinged by something.

What pinged you

[pyxxy]

uhoh, celaph is catching up to me in post count, I better do something

[BesharamSabi]

Let's not do the W thing. This is mafia.

That whole thread is a pretty perfect example of Jamie trying too hard to be Jamie. He blew a joke out of proportion, used a bunch of unnecessary color in his posts, and repeatedly brought it up without explicitly clarifying what he was talking about.

Scum Jamie is often aggressive.

Saying M!Jamie looks weirder than W!Jamie. It's what I'm used to. I interchange both terms, just deal with it.

Regardless, when has t!Jamie not overblown simple jokes before? He has overreacted about jokes as a host. Him overreacting about a joke isn't AI but the way he's going about this is. No one is taking interest in his reads yet he keeps repeating them. Any scum would have dropped it becuase it draws unnecessary attention and waste of energy. Town Jamie, when he notices something he views as bad, will not let it go.

Tldr: Behaviorally this is town Jamie because he can't tell jokes and will do anything to point out something is bad so he can look good.

Blowing jokes out of proportion is exactly what any version of Jamie does, yes. My issue is the way he's milking it. It felt more like he wanted everyone to know he was doing it than like he was actually concerned.

If he was milking it wouldn't he have questioned those that are townreading eden about it? He would be alot more agenda driven in regards to that vs mentioning twice in a general comment and once to Chaqa who maybe was scum reading eden.

[celaph]

Eden doesn't seem townie rn

What about their reaction makes you think "scum" and not it being some sort of ego issue/town being upset that anyone dares vote them?

I could see either reaction rn, so I'm curious what is making it stand out as specifically scummy to you.

I'm liking the way Byz is approaching this game. Me thinks they (Byz pronounds?) town.