Tiny Hunt I Game Thread

[damo666]

Jamie, i'm a bit pissed off that my probabilities post is either being trashed (by innumerates), ignored or as you said unhelpful and scum indicative.

I just don't get it.

Bozo says he think a scum NK nigh on impossible but ignores the fact that implies either we were very lucky or one of Nd/Vecna are scum.

If we pursue the save/no save declaration path and get down to two left we have those 2 + Vecna or ND as scum team (OK not for sure but highly suspcious).

[damo666]

Yet to declare bo_ Bozo DT Y2K

Quasi declaration/ refuse to declare Ezio

[y2kjbk]

I was not saved last night. ##UNVOTE. Gonna reread and share updated thoughts in a bit.

[Squigs44]

Would you all look at what Ezio is doing? I think something quite important has just been revealed.

Ezio voted for me, and said he was sure I'm scum because I pushed the lynch on ND who is very probably town.

I questioned Ezio regarding how he could be so sure of ND's alignment. Ezio's response was to state that he was actually just posting "bullshit" to get reactions. However, this does not add up, because the basis for Ezio starting a wagon on me was that I pushed the lynch of town ND. He started a wagon on me for a reason he now brushes off as "bullshit" that he was making up to get reactions. Really?

In fact I think there may be a different explanation.

I think Ezio was confident of ND's alignment because he is a Witch and therefore knows who the town are.

If that is the case, and assuming ND was town after all, then I would offer an apology to ND for being involved in mislynching him. Clearly I would have make a mistake there.

But Ezio has made a bigger mistake. A scumslip, in fact.

##VOTE EZIO

I just did an iso on Ezio and I think you are taking a few facts and then stringing then together with some hyperbole to make an unrealistic read.
Facts Jamie uses:

• Ezio voted for Jamie
  The reason he gave for voting Jamie was because of Jamie's push on ND
  Ezio said ND is likely town
  Ezio said he did a reaction test surrounding his assumption of NDs alignment.

However, I think you are wrong about one thing:
Ezio's case doesn't require him to be 100% sure of NDs alignment. In this version of mafia, you have to make assumptions because of the lack of information. If we only made cases on things we were sure of, this game wouldn't work. So I don't think Ezio is contradicting himself here. He admitted that he doesn't know NDs alignment 100%, but says it is more likely that ND is town than not, and in that case, you are scummy.

What I don't like about Ezio is his "reaction tests". He could literally post anything he wanted, and if he gets called out about it, he just says, "you passed my reaction test!".

[Squigs44]

Jamie, i'm a bit pissed off that my probabilities post is either being trashed (by innumerates), ignored or as you said unhelpful and scum indicative.

I just don't get it.

Bozo says he think a scum NK nigh on impossible but ignores the fact that implies either we were very lucky or one of Nd/Vecna are scum.

If we pursue the save/no save declaration path and get down to two left we have those 2 + Vecna or ND as scum team (OK not for sure but highly suspcious).

Damo, this is so bad. How do you come up with this stuff? You are saying that your scum team is Vecna because he is a likely NK but mafia didn't NK (pending claims), and then the last two people left not claiming? This literally makes less than 0 sense. I'm starting to feel the too bad to be scum argument here as well.

[Squigs44]

And there was that weird thing he did where he voted Damo at EOD1, before quickly changing to ND. Almost like he wanted to show us really hard how he really did want to lynch Damo instead of ND. I find this pretty scummy behaviour, regardless of ND's aligntment.

I did really want to lynch damo over ND. I explained several times that I preferred damo over ND, but ND over a no lynch. I knew that I would be on at EoD, so I knew that I could switch my vote onto ND if the damo train didn't take off. There were several people (at least Bo and Ezio, and I think a few more) that said they would also prefer damo over ND, so I put my vote on damo to see if a counterwagon would form. The fact that it didn't form even though several people voiced suspicion increases my scumread of damo, and maybe one or two of those people. I'm going to look into Bo again, cause I think his EoD may have been suspicious wrt damo.

[Squigs44]

@Bo - you shredded Bozo for voting Ezio just to get a majority, but then voted ND, and it looks like your reason was just to get a majority. Is this the case, or did you have another reason for scumreading ND? If this is the case, why is it okay for you to do it, but not Bozo?

[damo666]

I was not saved last night. ##UNVOTE. Gonna reread and share updated thoughts in a bit.

Thank you

This leaves bo_ Bozo and DT yet to declare with Ezio on quasi/refuse

[rdrivera2005]

Finished catching up.

I think Ezio and Jamiet fight fake as hell. I won't be surprised if it's scum x scum. Both are forcing a case on each other without any actual reasoning. I also don't know how to sort Damo. I first thought his probabilities thing and the Judge are just a pretty bad thinking but NAI, but his failure to understand what everybody is pointing is weird, I don't remember him doing that in other games.

Vecna keeps making the better posts even drunk. And I am not trying to buddy him, he already have a panda.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Ezio and Jamiet fight fake as hell. I won't be surprised if it's scum x scum. Both are forcing a case on each other without any actual reasoning.

Erm, except, I provided a whole lot of actual reasoning.

[damo666]

##UNVOTE

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean it's one thing to say you disagree with my thinking. But you're saying I haven't actually explained my observations - and that's not accurate.

[DoubtingThomas]

wait i thought eod was today?

thought i missed it lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Days are 48hrs.

[y2kjbk]

##VOTE worcej

That's my thought after a reread now. Does zero scumhunting beyond his bo vote on D1 that has a bit of a wordy incomprehensible response to one post of bo's on page 12, then disappears for the rest of the day. Day 2, I see another somewhat wordy reason for putting his vote on me before disappearing from discussion. This guy is scum popping in for a seemingly rationalized vote and vanishing.

[damo666]

##VOTE DoubtingThomas

he doesn't know what day it is

[damo666]

All that is clear to me is that those of us that are town are cluelessly scrabbling around in the dark and scum are having a right laugh in their QT

[bozotheclown]

Jamie, i'm a bit pissed off that my probabilities post is either being trashed (by innumerates), ignored or as you said unhelpful and scum indicative.

I just don't get it.

Bozo says he think a scum NK nigh on impossible but ignores the fact that implies either we were very lucky or one of Nd/Vecna are scum.

If we pursue the save/no save declaration path and get down to two left we have those 2 + Vecna or ND as scum team (OK not for sure but highly suspcious).

Why would the mafia not attempt a NK? I was not ignoring the fact that a near zero probability of the mafia not using the NK implies we were lucky, I was saying that we were lucky with the NK. The primary problem with your probability calculation was that it did not take into consideration facts that we now know to be true. The missing 70% that you calculated (although this percentage is not accurate) represent the probability of the mafia successfully performing a NK, something we know did not happen.

[bozotheclown]

wait i thought eod was today?

thought i missed it lol

Why have you not voted yet if you thought today was EOD?

[bozotheclown]

Finished catching up.

I think Ezio and Jamiet fight fake as hell. I won't be surprised if it's scum x scum. Both are forcing a case on each other without any actual reasoning. I also don't know how to sort Damo. I first thought his probabilities thing and the Judge are just a pretty bad thinking but NAI, but his failure to understand what everybody is pointing is weird, I don't remember him doing that in other games.

Vecna keeps making the better posts even drunk. And I am not trying to buddy him, he already have a panda.

If you are correct, then I would still suspect bo_sox as well.