MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

##VOTE Byz
##END

cya day 2

Hi eden

hi sabi

How r u

[Byz]

Justin and Neon,

Here's the bot to iso and track votes

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=75

A bot? How quaint. We use a glorious spreadsheet.

[Rumi Tobari]

stepped away a few and we're alaready voting?

blah, I was hoping I could convince everyone to go along with a plot to either vote for themselves or the next person down the singup list for hte first round.

If everyone did it, nothing is gained or lost, if someone doesn't, they're either scum or have an ulterior motive that needs to be clarified.

[President Eden]

Hi eden

hi sabi

How r u

i’m ok

i wish i had read the setup so i would have ideas about how to use the nametags lol

[President Eden]

stepped away a few and we’re alaready voting?

blah, I was hoping I could convince everyone to go along with a plot to either vote for themselves or the next person down the singup list for hte first round.

If everyone did it, nothing is gained or lost, if someone doesn’t, they’re either scum or have an ulterior motive that needs to be clarified.

why do you reckon that “nothing is gained or lost” is a desirable outcome of day 1?

[Rumi Tobari]

hi sabi

How r u

i’m ok

i wish i had read the setup so i would have ideas about how to use the nametags lol

I admit I only skimmed it, but I don't recall seeing an explanation of nametags anywhere?

[Byz]

stepped away a few and we're alaready voting?

blah, I was hoping I could convince everyone to go along with a plot to either vote for themselves or the next person down the singup list for hte first round.

If everyone did it, nothing is gained or lost, if someone doesn't, they're either scum or have an ulterior motive that needs to be clarified.

I say we all vote you, and nothing is gained or lost.

##VOTE Rumi Tobari

[BesharamSabi]

Justin and Neon,

Here's the bot to iso and track votes

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=75

A bot? How quaint. We use a glorious spreadsheet.

Playdip wishes they had this.

[BesharamSabi]

hi sabi

How r u

i’m ok

i wish i had read the setup so i would have ideas about how to use the nametags lol

Mech talk makes me sleepy

[Rumi Tobari]

stepped away a few and we’re alaready voting?

blah, I was hoping I could convince everyone to go along with a plot to either vote for themselves or the next person down the singup list for hte first round.

If everyone did it, nothing is gained or lost, if someone doesn’t, they’re either scum or have an ulterior motive that needs to be clarified.

why do you reckon that “nothing is gained or lost” is a desirable outcome of day 1?

I'm told day 1 is built on small talk, tone reading (whatever that is), and supposition. We have no facts at his time. Day 2 is where we use the vote breakdown in day 1. Which given that the day 1 votes aren't built on any existing analytic data on our voting breakdowns, may not tell us anything other than how to influence people to vote a certain way. (which itself is knowledge)

I suppose if we must "gain" or "lose" something, then we have learned that people can stick to agreements, at the very least when the stakes are perceived to be low in the beginning.

[BesharamSabi]

Rumi besides the vote strategy, how would you like to play a day one? Since we currently have zero information (well except mafia because they know who isn't mafia) how do you go about that

[Byz]

stepped away a few and we’re alaready voting?

blah, I was hoping I could convince everyone to go along with a plot to either vote for themselves or the next person down the singup list for hte first round.

If everyone did it, nothing is gained or lost, if someone doesn’t, they’re either scum or have an ulterior motive that needs to be clarified.

why do you reckon that “nothing is gained or lost” is a desirable outcome of day 1?

I'm told day 1 is built on small talk, tone reading (whatever that is), and supposition. We have no facts at his time. Day 2 is where we use the vote breakdown in day 1. Which given that the day 1 votes aren't built on any existing analytic data on our voting breakdowns, may not tell us anything other than how to influence people to vote a certain way. (which itself is knowledge)

I suppose if we must "gain" or "lose" something, then we have learned that people can stick to agreements, at the very least when the stakes are perceived to be low in the beginning.

I assumed you were joking, but if you're not, the entire value of D1 is the vote breakdown, and the posts made aiming for a particular vote result. Randomizing that defeats the entire purpose of the information we get out of D1.

I could make an extended defense of the virtue of taking D1 seriously, but I'm not gonna do that cause some other tryhard will if you're being serious.

[Rumi Tobari]

Rumi besides the vote strategy, how would you like to play a day one? Since we currently have zero information (well except mafia because they know who isn't mafia) how do you go about that

Ideally, I'd want to figure out how to gain some amount of factual information before the vote. But I don't know if that's possible. It might be, but I'm not experienced enough with social situations (and have never played Mafia) to understand how.

Alternatively, If I was town I'd want to figure out how everyone thinks and how to convince them to believe or vote in certain ways. I have a bit of a detective mindset.

[President Eden]

stepped away a few and we’re alaready voting?

blah, I was hoping I could convince everyone to go along with a plot to either vote for themselves or the next person down the singup list for hte first round.

If everyone did it, nothing is gained or lost, if someone doesn’t, they’re either scum or have an ulterior motive that needs to be clarified.

why do you reckon that “nothing is gained or lost” is a desirable outcome of day 1?

I’m told day 1 is built on small talk, tone reading (whatever that is), and supposition. We have no facts at his time. Day 2 is where we use the vote breakdown in day 1. Which given that the day 1 votes aren’t built on any existing analytic data on our voting breakdowns, may not tell us anything other than how to influence people to vote a certain way. (which itself is knowledge)

I suppose if we must “gain” or “lose” something, then we have learned that people can stick to agreements, at the very least when the stakes are perceived to be low in the beginning.

This is a generally correct summary of how Day 1 goes. But if we rig our votes to follow a set arbitrary pattern, what data do you imagine will emerge from that to allow us to conduct a more rational inquiry into Day 2?

[ghug]

##VOTE President Eden

See y'all day 2.

[dargorygel]

Newbies are so wonderfully... serious.

[ghug]

Also, RIP being able to use my work computer for playing - IT finally figured out how to block this website.

Now I get to use only my cell phone…

Try removing or adding the www. They're separate sites because reasons.

[Rumi Tobari]

why do you reckon that “nothing is gained or lost” is a desirable outcome of day 1?

I’m told day 1 is built on small talk, tone reading (whatever that is), and supposition. We have no facts at his time. Day 2 is where we use the vote breakdown in day 1. Which given that the day 1 votes aren’t built on any existing analytic data on our voting breakdowns, may not tell us anything other than how to influence people to vote a certain way. (which itself is knowledge)

I suppose if we must “gain” or “lose” something, then we have learned that people can stick to agreements, at the very least when the stakes are perceived to be low in the beginning.

This is a generally correct summary of how Day 1 goes. But if we rig our votes to follow a set arbitrary pattern, what data do you imagine will emerge from that to allow us to conduct a more rational inquiry into Day 2?

To be perfectly honest, though I didn't want to say it openly. The idea was to determine who wouldn't play along. Not if someone wouldn't. Who. Even if I were to convince everyone to do this, I firmly believe one or two people would change their mind at the last minute, or would have only been pretending to agree.

The idea was to identify them.

[ghug]

So what do people think about peeking today?

Ok so actually I was thinking about this.

To state the obvious:

The clear benefit to peeking during D1 is that you learn what badge you started out with.

The clear benefit to waiting to peek later (perhaps much later) is that you learn what badge you ended up with after various events may or may not have taken place.

The question is, which of these items of information is more useful, bearing in mind, you can only have one, or the other?

Thinking for five seconds, I conclude that it's best for everyone to make this choice individually and privately so that we get a mix and mafia don't know which is which.

[ghug]

Bill Gates did nothing wrong.

##VOTE pyxxy