M1021 - Blessings of Lilia - GAME THREAD [hidden]

[snowy801]

Colourful Vote Count Thing

DAY ONE
Durga (8) Bonatogether, TheFlyingBoat, damo666, celaph, snowy801, Jamiet99uk, DeathLlama8, aarodactyl
damo666 (4) Kakarroto, pyxxy, Durga, Maniac
aarodactyl (1) rdrivera2005
Maniac (1) BesharamSabi

DAY TWO
aarodactyl (5) snowy801, celaph, DeathLlama8, TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether
Bonatogether (4) Jamiet99uk, BesharamSabi, Maniac, damo666
damo666 (2) Kakarroto, aarodactyl
Maniac (1) pyxxy

Is it possible to get snapshots of "before everyone moved to tiebreak" vote counts as well
Maybe one per day

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes ok. I guess that would be like this. These snapshots are both at the 10-minutes to EoD mark:

DAY ONE
damo666 (6) Kakarroto, pyxxy, Durga, aarodactyl, DeathLlama8, celaph
aarodactyl (3) rdrivera2005, Maniac, snowy801
Durga (3) Bonatogether, TheFlyingBoat, damo666
Maniac (2) BesharamSabi, Jamiet99uk

DAY TWO
damo666 (3) Kakarroto, aarodactyl, TheFlyingBoat
aarodactyl (2) snowy801, celaph
Kakarroto (2) damo666, DeathLlama8
Maniac (2) pyxxy, BesharamSabi
Bonatogether (1) Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (1) Maniac
Unvoted: Bonatogether

That's pretty interesting actually. Damo was the top wagon before the rapid EoD vote moves, both days, and at least one third of his wagon was confirmed town on both occasions. How about that?

[Jamiet99uk]

CORRECTION

Yes ok. I guess that would be like this. These snapshots are both at the 10-minutes to EoD mark:

DAY ONE
damo666 (6) Kakarroto, pyxxy, Durga, aarodactyl, DeathLlama8, celaph
aarodactyl (3) rdrivera2005, Maniac, snowy801
Durga (3) Bonatogether, TheFlyingBoat, damo666
Maniac (2) BesharamSabi, Jamiet99uk

DAY TWO
damo666 (2) Kakarroto, TheFlyingBoat
aarodactyl (2) snowy801, celaph
Kakarroto (2) damo666, DeathLlama8
Maniac (2) pyxxy, BesharamSabi
Bonatogether (1) Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (1) Maniac
Unvoted: Bonatogether, aarodactyl

Sincere apologies, I missed Aaro's unvote on D2. He didn't move to Damo until the 00:02 mark.

[snowy801]

CORRECTION

Yes ok. I guess that would be like this. These snapshots are both at the 10-minutes to EoD mark:

DAY ONE
damo666 (6) Kakarroto, pyxxy, Durga, aarodactyl, DeathLlama8, celaph
aarodactyl (3) rdrivera2005, Maniac, snowy801
Durga (3) Bonatogether, TheFlyingBoat, damo666
Maniac (2) BesharamSabi, Jamiet99uk

DAY TWO
damo666 (2) Kakarroto, TheFlyingBoat
aarodactyl (2) snowy801, celaph
Kakarroto (2) damo666, DeathLlama8
Maniac (2) pyxxy, BesharamSabi
Bonatogether (1) Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (1) Maniac
Unvoted: Bonatogether, aarodactyl

Sincere apologies, I missed Aaro's unvote on D2. He didn't move to Damo until the 00:02 mark.

Even so, your point is taken. Though rdr's last words bother me a lot more than this information. I feel like I'm letting him down by not scum reading damo and I'm being extremely dumb

Though I plan on starting from the beginning so we'll see how that goes. But like, have you ever seen scum just vote everywhere and start screaming I'm town without doing anything remotely viewable as useful as their death approached?

[pyxxy]

If the NK is outside a certain (not to be revealed) group of 4 I will eat my hat.

After the NK goes through, I am curious if any of those 4 are on your non-town list.

[snowy801]

But seriously guys does anyone have any idea why this thread is so quiet?

[Jamiet99uk]

But seriously guys does anyone have any idea why this thread is so quiet?

It's a small mostly-vanilla game and we haven't found any scum.

[BesharamSabi]

But seriously guys does anyone have any idea why this thread is so quiet?

During work days when I'm in the office I can only post when I have down time or at lunch.

But also it's small game with less talkative people.

[snowy801]

But seriously guys does anyone have any idea why this thread is so quiet?

It's a small mostly-vanilla game and we haven't found any scum.

I dunno m1020 was a scum clean sweep and it was loud as dirt

[snowy801]

Though to be fair some of the loudest people that game were scum so maybe that's the difference maker

[DeathLlama8]

- @sabi - did you specifically vote bona just because he tied the vote, or was there some underlying reason? As far as I can tell the vote seems kind of OMGUSy for a deadline vote, since most of your last few interactions with bona was arguing with him over his characterization of your gameplay. Also, why were you so concerned about there being a jamiet wagon, and how do you feel about kak?

bump

[DeathLlama8]

But seriously guys does anyone have any idea why this thread is so quiet?

Can't really think of a game-related reason (except durga and aaro being relatively talkative) so it's probably just OOG busyness

in which case not to sound hypocritical but there is a sub list if people don't think they can keep up

[DeathLlama8]

And I feel like my feelings have carried over into this game. Not to mention I missed Kak writing a reference just for me, and then feeling sad when I missed it. So. If anything I feel like I've buddied myself onto Kak. I think I have a blindspot reading him and I doubt that I'll be any help figuring him out in this game, town or scum.

So if you think he might be scum, and a D3 DK candidate, I would trust you, Celaph, I would trust you enough to sheep you on it.

Wait since when do you trust me?

[DeathLlama8]

I therefore considered those who were not then a wagon and Kak was blindingly obvious to go for.

can you elaborate a little bit here? is it just that he was afk or was there another reason

[DeathLlama8]

I dunno m1020 was a scum clean sweep and it was loud as dirt

m1020 was also really dead by kilo fwiw

[BesharamSabi]

- @sabi - did you specifically vote bona just because he tied the vote, or was there some underlying reason? As far as I can tell the vote seems kind of OMGUSy for a deadline vote, since most of your last few interactions with bona was arguing with him over his characterization of your gameplay. Also, why were you so concerned about there being a jamiet wagon, and how do you feel about kak?

bump

Sorry I missed this. It was for Bona tying the vote. I did find it weird that once Bona was in the lead a swarm of votes jumped to aaro. Maybe it's nothing.

I assumed snowy was swayed by Maniac theory and saw damo saying something about thinking about voting for Jamiet. I totally misread the situation and assumed people were going to start wagon ing him.

Kak is still null for me. He has improved but his bouts of long term disappearing is an eyebrow raiser for me.

[DeathLlama8]

why do you think scum!bona ties the vote by unvoting there? it's at least detrimental to his own chances of survival, and if he has teammates that are wagons, unvoting aaro to tie it increases the chance they die as well.

Do you think he was protecting anyone? Or acting out of self-preservation?

[DeathLlama8]

idk what this means but celaph and kakarroto have literally never posted during a night phase according to the bot

[Jamiet99uk]

idk what this means but celaph and kakarroto have literally never posted during a night phase according to the bot

Think they're too busy in the scum chat?

[DeathLlama8]

basically going to be in class until EON but i'll try to be active day 3, especially since i'll be gone basically the entire weekend

townreads:
celaph: vibes have been immaculate, responded really townily to questioning about EOD1 ("why didn't you vote aaro" "...idk"), was at least engaged and trying to drive discussion at EOD. has generally been pretty clear about his intentions in a way that's easy to follow
maniac: don't really see why scum!maniac plays EOD2 the way he did. he's been relatively quiet, but I don't think that's alignment-indicative, and he's made a few new observations that he's offered that seem genuine and from a town-looking-for-scum perspective
bona? - I felt the durga push was too early to be genuine, but I don't think I believe that anymore. EOD2 seemed towny and interested in info gathering; preferences have generally seemed consistent and evolved in a genuine way. could not be fucked to fully read the bona v tfb fight but just based off what I skimmed he came off fine - there's no way that's SvS, and he seemed more genuinely frustrated than just trying to set up a tfb kill

scumreads:
pyxxy: I think my scumread on pyxxy softened a little after their response to my posts yesterday (mostly bc vibes), but the disappearance at EOD2 (despite at least being around to +1 stuff) and the lack of interest in actually pushing wagons for his scumreads tfb/bona/maniac (or just trying to get on for the former two - he probably could've gotten a bona daykill if he tried hard enough and convinced aaro to join with him or smth), makes it continue to look like he just doesn't really care who dies.

kak: repeatedly disappears, hesitant to offer his own opinions compared to just sending questions without significant drive or follow-up, doesn't really seem as engaged in hunting as I expected him to be after the day one wallposts? I might need to read a town kak game to verify this but I think we have to flip him at some point

interesting nulls/possible kills I'd be okay with
sabi - lighter than the other two because I've generally gotten good vibes from them. I think the 10-post limit came out of a desire to genuinely improve as town (scum!sabi could probably easily hide behind question walls again like they did the other scum game). Dislike that EOD2 though, especially the random bona vote that could plausibly be an attempt to set up TvT, and they seemed to drop the post limit pretty quickly

damo - Kind of a similar argument - I don't see scum playing the way damo did day one, and there were a few vibe things that seemed good d2. But with aaro flipped town and the wagon info that jamie brought up, the circumstantial evidence looks way worse now for him. There is also the possibility that he's just hiding behind the open survivalist act I guess

I get town vibes from snowy and we definitely shouldn't kill him but I guess he could plausibly be doing this as scum. don't really have reads on tfb or jamie. damo/tfb/jamiet rereads are going to be top priority for tmrw (or tonight if class is boring ig) in roughly that order