M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

As a member of kouncil, this is the type of comments you're endorsing?

As a player, I didn't find anything he said as an attack to your character.

You need to separate emotions from this game.

That's rich coming from the guy that had two meltdowns in two games a row and accused Chaqa of gaslighting you.

[worcej]

Overall heres my grades so far of how celaph spoke to and was spoken of by these folks

TFB A-
Worcej B
Ghug B+
Damo C
Jamiet99uk D
DemonRHK A
bontogether A

B is on par for how I went about college - I accept this.

Joke aside: what is the determination really for each grade?

Its all my opinion of how I feel a person looks after reading both sides (celaph talking about x and x talking about celaph). I feel a certain way about how the interactions made someone look and applied a grade. and that grade is how I also feel about someones liklihood of being scum as a result. This is malleable and not cemented. I just wanted some clarity to give on what my conclusions are in terms of overall assessment

So what dropped me from a B to a D?

[Chaqa]

road map for the game:

• resolve Maniac/Lamp situation, get a mafia very likely
• flip ghug get a mafia
• figure out what to do with Jamie, Boat, rivera, and worcej
• if we resolved all those alignments and the game isn’t over, PANIK

1) Maniac
2) Sabi/ghug/rdr/Jamie [that order]

Would you (or Eden for that matter) advocate for the JOAT shooting Maniac during this night?

Basically everyone has already pushed for that to happen

[ghug]

As a member of kouncil, this is the type of comments you're endorsing?

I mean, he's gone off on people himself too games in a row now. They clearly don't hold themselves to high standards.

well this is in egregiously bad faith but I’m not going to rise to the bait

I dunno, half the reason I'm not arguing with you is because I feel like it's going to end in you calling me a terrible person again and it's leaving me very frustrated.

[President Eden]

I mean, he's gone off on people himself too games in a row now. They clearly don't hold themselves to high standards.

well this is in egregiously bad faith but I’m not going to rise to the bait

I dunno, half the reason I'm not arguing with you is because I feel like it's going to end in you calling me a terrible person again and it's leaving me very frustrated.

this is also in bad faith, and the last time you feigned wounds about this you were mafia trying to discredit me

[ghug]

well this is in egregiously bad faith but I’m not going to rise to the bait

I dunno, half the reason I'm not arguing with you is because I feel like it's going to end in you calling me a terrible person again and it's leaving me very frustrated.

this is also in bad faith, and the last time you feigned wounds about this you were mafia trying to discredit me

I'm not feigning anything.

[President Eden]

so you aren’t willing to argue with me about game-relevant things because your feelings are allegedly hurt and you’re worried about me blowing up again, yet you with no provocation whatsoever decided to attack my character as someone on the Council based upon the very thing you’re afraid will happen.

seems definitely legit and 100% in good faith

[brainbomb]

maybe lets tone it down a bit and I apologize.
but if im being honest I dont read sabi posts and I have just chosen to not talk to sabi.

and if they are town cool
if they arent cool

im not telling them to stop playing or stop trying. its like johnnybighorse 2.0

[worcej]

As a member of kouncil, this is the type of comments you're endorsing?

As a player, I didn't find anything he said as an attack to your character.

You need to separate emotions from this game.

That's rich coming from the guy that had two meltdowns in two games a row and accused Chaqa of gaslighting you.

I would never imply I am perfect nor a beacon of that advice. I know I am problematic and have anger issues: when I see 'red', I carpet bomb the shit out of the person and have no remorse for it at the time. You already know that to be true.

My point here is you take it personal when someone scum reads you and you quickly go into a personal defense mode, which isn't helpful. BB didn't attack you, he made a statement to try to keep BLamp from OMGUS'ing you and derailing the thread (imho)

[Chaqa]

blamp.
Do not panic
your safety is not in peril from sabi. no one actually reads sabi posts or follows their lines of attack.

Based

[Chaqa]

blamp.
Do not panic
your safety is not in peril from sabi. no one actually reads sabi posts or follows their lines of attack.

Once again brainbomb being unnecessarily being a dick.

I'm trying very hard not to let my emotions get ahead of me. There's only so many unnecessary attacks and insults I can take from you brainbomb. Jesus fucking Christ stop fucking insulting me.

Seems more like he’s calling out other people ignoring you

[President Eden]

As a member of kouncil, this is the type of comments you're endorsing?

As a player, I didn't find anything he said as an attack to your character.

You need to separate emotions from this game.

That's rich coming from the guy that had two meltdowns in two games a row and accused Chaqa of gaslighting you.

worcej said that not me

[Chaqa]

mafia games are lost by looking exclusively at one player and saying that in every action this person helped scums interest. ive seen countless examples of people piling on and just being wrong and that spirals into six phases
of dead town in a row and boom suddenly its a runaway maf win because people followed their noses onto people who didnt assert themselves or got too much wrong to be able to trust.

now granted town following its nose is what youre supposed to do. you dont play the wild theory game you do what makes the most sense. I like the idea that people just play like shit and thats part of the game. scum are more precise and tend to not leave so many skid marks in their underwear for all to see on the clothes line

luckily we’re looking at like half a dozen people and not tunneling exclusively on Maniac. the only person who got zeroed in on hard was celaph, who flipped mafia.

I think caution in this matter is wise, but shouldn’t lead to inaction.



and for anybody who actually read my case on ghug, compare how ghug and brainbomb make the same point. both are ostensibly worried about people coasting on early reads and failing to zero in on mafia playing well enough to avoid major suspicion. but ghug does so by shading every clear town in the game for wildly wrong reasons, leaving open potential miskills later and bringing no constructive alternative to the table. brainbomb is worried about Maniac being miskilled and is actively looking to present an alternate theory to avoid this outcome. the difference in agendas is night and day

Stop calling them clear town! It's ridiculous!

This is not a town!ghug reaction

[worcej]

maybe lets tone it down a bit and I apologize.
but if im being honest I dont read sabi posts and I have just chosen to not talk to sabi.

and if they are town cool
if they arent cool

im not telling them to stop playing or stop trying. its like johnnybighorse 2.0

I ignore the spreadsheet portions (doesn't help anyone other than themselves) and the constant 'I suck at this game' comments.

[President Eden]

anyway ghug basically claimed scum tonight IMO, please do not forget that as it’s the read of mine I think will most be lost or otherwise disregarded.

[BesharamSabi]

Blamp I'm not ignoring you. It's easier for me to do one off posts while I'm working. I want to give you an actual response

[President Eden]

in fact I’m like 80% sure that he intentionally tried to escalate the shitflinging just now to bait me into fighting him so that my read on him would be discredited

not today, Satan

[BesharamSabi]

As a player, I didn't find anything he said as an attack to your character.

You need to separate emotions from this game.

That's rich coming from the guy that had two meltdowns in two games a row and accused Chaqa of gaslighting you.

I would never imply I am perfect nor a beacon of that advice. I know I am problematic and have anger issues: when I see 'red', I carpet bomb the shit out of the person and have no remorse for it at the time. You already know that to be true.

My point here is you take it personal when someone scum reads you and you quickly go into a personal defense mode, which isn't helpful. BB didn't attack you, he made a statement to try to keep BLamp from OMGUS'ing you and derailing the thread (imho)

It's not just this time. This whole game he's been insulting me. It's been aggrivating he came into this game just to insult me because of m71.

[Chaqa]

As a member of kouncil, this is the type of comments you're endorsing?

As a player, I didn't find anything he said as an attack to your character.

You need to separate emotions from this game.

That's rich coming from the guy that had two meltdowns in two games a row and accused Chaqa of gaslighting you.

???

[BesharamSabi]

blamp.
Do not panic
your safety is not in peril from sabi. no one actually reads sabi posts or follows their lines of attack.

Once again brainbomb being unnecessarily being a dick.

I'm trying very hard not to let my emotions get ahead of me. There's only so many unnecessary attacks and insults I can take from you brainbomb. Jesus fucking Christ stop fucking insulting me.

Seems more like he’s calling out other people ignoring you

No he's been doing this whole game and it's been getting on my nerves.