M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

Sabi could easily be scum here, sure
I don't feel pyxxy as scum yet. Maybe
I can't read ghug at all
legit list, could be expanded a lot i feel

Bona you once again can't read me at all

[ghug]

I just don't see where this conclusion came, could you explain?

Read Part 1 on the previous page.

Blamp is also a good target.

I'm glad we are on same page about blamp

I've been feeling better about Blamp today. He's been staking out strong positions that go against the grain, and the vibes are better.

[BesharamSabi]

Wait, can I know ask why isn't sabi pinging more people's scum vibes?

Will dig for context.

Sabi is in my scum-pool.

yeah sabi hasn't towned very hard at all imo

I dunno how else to make myself more town

[Bonatogether]

It isn't a question of being dumb from my side. If it wasn't obvious, I wanted to see more of why you think he's doing it.

So far, my belief is you think he's doing it only because he should've known about the RB mechanics and his reason when caught was shit (still haven't looked that up). Am I missing anything?

Here's his explanation

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 30#p291530

Eden also thought the explanation was cap.

Eden has a proven track record of not being the best at reading me.

He thought I was scum the entire Cop game because he didn't believe my crumbs.

did anyone believe those lol

[rdrivera2005]

If celaph flips scum I would very much endorse the JOAT popping Bozo.

I just don't see where this conclusion came, could you explain?

Read Part 1 on the previous page.

Blamp is also a good target.

I read, but Bozo who were in a useless wagon choosed Kak over Celaph, I don't see such a huge connection to justify a shoot, at least no more then other Kak voters and even some TFB voters.

[rdrivera2005]

If celaph flips scum I would very much endorse the JOAT popping Bozo.

I just don't see where this conclusion came, could you explain?

That's the one part of his write-up I fully agree with.

Why specifically Bozo of all Kak voters? I am not saying Bozo isn't scum (in fact I barely remember him, which is weird), just want to understand.

[Bonatogether]

I think it's most likely that the JOAT didn't shoot at all, and scum shot Snowy.

Like 95%+ probability.

yeah why is this even a topic of discussion

scum never hold the nk there unless they're actually the biggest morons on the planet.

joat shooting there is basically a 0% chance.

last night, scum shot snowy, joat did something else that doesn't require discussion. move on

[BesharamSabi]

I think it's most likely that the JOAT didn't shoot at all, and scum shot Snowy.

Like 95%+ probability.

yeah why is this even a topic of discussion

scum never hold the nk there unless they're actually the biggest morons on the planet.

joat shooting there is basically a 0% chance.

last night, scum shot snowy, joat did something else that doesn't require discussion. move on

Because not everything is 100%

I was throwing out a wild theory.

[Bonatogether]

A celaph info flip grows in merit. If celaph is in fact scum, there is a small group of people who would fit the 'saving my teammate'. If celaph is town, then at least we know we're all a bunch of idiots.

Is it worth killing another Town to find out that we are all idiots?

killing town to reveal this only further proves it when we already know it

[pyxxy]

rather than spam the game with every posy pyxxy gave a +1 too here are three in particular that im curious what they liked from these posts and why they selectively picked these

I find pyxxy acknoledging my concerns but never actually explaining on the three posts I quoted any reasons why they gave those three a +1

It wasnt like I asked them to explain what they liked on every +1

I gave three examples

three

and they dodged even trying to answer and their return post was as slimy as can be.

@brain am I missing something about forum functionality here? Did I miss where you posted the three +1s that you want me to talk about?

Would you mind re-linking them for me?

[Bonatogether]

This actually means Sabi isn't linked too strongly to celaph, more so linked to TFB, which does reassure me a bit because I wasn't leaning too much toward Sabi being scum.

Seems like the link is celaph to Blamp and Bozo, which is EXACTLY what snowy was saying, and he got killed.

I think we got them gang.

Yea my link is with tfb, which I made abundantly clear. I townread boatman, he's in my core with Bona and Ghug.

that's a wildddd towncore

[Bonatogether]

Yea my link is with tfb, which I made abundantly clear. I townread boatman, he's in my core with Bona and Ghug.

Ghug is probably scum tbh

I don't see it tho. He's not giving me scum vibes and I have seen scum ghug

ok, everyone here but pyxxy has seen scum!ghug. if it were that easy this game wouldn't be what it is.

[Bonatogether]

But what is blamp doing besides trying to save his scummates while bussing one of his own (half heartedly may I add)

show why scum!blamp only acts this way in these circumstances, and then how that lines up with his theorized scumbuddies acting. making a claim about 3 scum on d2 requires a lot of work that i just haven't seen put in to justify it

Snowy and Chaqa had made connections between blamp, celaph and bozo as scum trio. There's a connection between all three (and Maniac if you add his weird defense over celaph).

ok, so other people did some investigative work. can you add anything to that, using your own knowledge of yourself as town?

[ghug]

I just don't see where this conclusion came, could you explain?

That's the one part of his write-up I fully agree with.

Why specifically Bozo of all Kak voters? I am not saying Bozo isn't scum (in fact I barely remember him, which is weird), just want to understand.

Most others had some level of established opinion on the subject, has vested interest in saving themselves, or were voting to prevent a tie in the final moments. Bozo broke a tie with no existing opinions on either player. If the one he saves flips scum, he looks bad.

[Bonatogether]

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

Sabi could easily be scum here, sure
I don't feel pyxxy as scum yet. Maybe
I can't read ghug at all
legit list, could be expanded a lot i feel

Bona you once again can't read me at all

this is what happens when you sandbag, spam, and shitpost lol

it's also day 2, and there should be VERY few hard reads (like basically 0) in the game. being uncertain is not at all a reason to claim I can't read you

[Bonatogether]

Sabi is in my scum-pool.

yeah sabi hasn't towned very hard at all imo

I dunno how else to make myself more town

do investigative work that actually adds new thought

finding and quoting posts is part of that but not enough

[Bonatogether]

I think it's most likely that the JOAT didn't shoot at all, and scum shot Snowy.

Like 95%+ probability.

yeah why is this even a topic of discussion

scum never hold the nk there unless they're actually the biggest morons on the planet.

joat shooting there is basically a 0% chance.

last night, scum shot snowy, joat did something else that doesn't require discussion. move on

Because not everything is 100%

I was throwing out a wild theory.

ok, sure, not 100%, but the specific chain of events needed to get to something that's not what i described is so incredibly unlikely that it's basically just not worth discussing and wasting thread space with.

[BesharamSabi]

show why scum!blamp only acts this way in these circumstances, and then how that lines up with his theorized scumbuddies acting. making a claim about 3 scum on d2 requires a lot of work that i just haven't seen put in to justify it

Snowy and Chaqa had made connections between blamp, celaph and bozo as scum trio. There's a connection between all three (and Maniac if you add his weird defense over celaph).

ok, so other people did some investigative work. can you add anything to that, using your own knowledge of yourself as town?

I made the celaph and Maniac connection. I have mentioned abiut blamp being super defensive over celaph being pewed pewed. I dunno what rise your want from me. It's day 2. I need more solid evidence (that isn't just interaction numbers)

[Bonatogether]

Snowy and Chaqa had made connections between blamp, celaph and bozo as scum trio. There's a connection between all three (and Maniac if you add his weird defense over celaph).

ok, so other people did some investigative work. can you add anything to that, using your own knowledge of yourself as town?

I made the celaph and Maniac connection. I have mentioned abiut blamp being super defensive over celaph being pewed pewed. I dunno what rise your want from me. It's day 2. I need more solid evidence (that isn't just interaction numbers)

I can't find anything in your ISO that's a celaph-maniac connection (i control fed for both celaph and maniac). you barely discuss them together at all?

ok? mentioning shit isn't anything unless you establish what it means for blamp's alignment.

i want quality work lol. you'll never have more evidence than right now

[President Eden]

Finally, if I was town as celaph here, there is one more thing that I would have added to this D2 post. I would have said something like “I was laying low and not posting intentionally during the night in order to avoid mafia attention / look like a low poster aka mafia, because I had a scum read on Chaqa and wanted to try bait him into killing me”.

Or something like this. Put another way. If I was absent all night, I would mention why, or I would have given people a heads up. Even just one joke night post like “if I die kill chaqa” removes a lot of suspicion. There were a bunch of these kinds of posts, and maybe it’s enough to goad Chaqa into actually doing it.

All these things leave me coming to my first official scum read.

Celaph, I find thee sus.

##VOTE Celaph

In other news, Pyxxy is town core. Having been the main cw yesterday and given the talk surrounding me, there is no reason to ever assume that mafia would kill me there. They’d be fools for doing so. The fact that this was not immediately and intuitively obvious shows a complete lack of scum thought on his front. This also matches well with his earlier comments trying to figure things out and his evident lack of experience.

this is really good friendsssss why are you all killing this man
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at first I agreed, but then I reflected further and I concluded celaph was misinterpreting pyxxy’s hypothetical. it reads more to me that pyxxy was making up a hypothetical on the fly to explain absence, not that pyxxy actually thought mafia would shoot celaph n1.

but maybe just that inquiry is still enough, even if celaph reaches what I think is a flawed conclusion.