M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

oh I forgot my asterisk point.

as the day wore on and particularly near EOD, I started to feel that Demon was town. he didn’t have a great start to the game, and I still don’t think he is thinking about this game with the level of depth and nuance that he’s proven capable of in the past. but I came away feeling like he really believed what he was saying (whatever my opinions on the content of what he was saying may be).

I’d really like to see him step up and cast aside my concerns with better play before I totally let him off, but especially if celaph does flip mafia as I think he will, it’s pretty hard not to think Demon is town.

[President Eden]

How in god’s name were 8 of 9 votes at the end for kak
And why did nobody react to this

well speaking personally, until Chaqa flipped over to celaph, I was annoyed and feeling defeated because I thought I had made a reasonably good argument—which was 100% right mind you!—for why Kak was innocent, and basically everyone who voted for him just gave a half-assed “yea but he could fake that” and lazily voted him anyway. and then once I saw other votes rolling in for Kak after Chaqa flipped over, it felt like we just didn’t have the numbers to overcome lazy town inertia.

basically democracy fucking sucks.

[BesharamSabi]

Voting for celaph when he's finally starting to contribute is sadge.

Chaqa can you explain this (I'm doing the interaction thing) but you voted for celaph anyways?

[snowy801]

I present to you the most powerful tool in the game

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/stats?g=73&phase=global

Now let's play the game "who went zzz immediately at EoD"

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Player	Last (Now)
BesharamSabi	00:17
President Eden	00:04
Jamiet99uk	00:46
Bonatogether	00:43
snowy801        00:23
brainbomb	01:47
TheFlyingBoat	00:14
Chaqa	        00:22
ghug	        06:45
BusinessLamp	01:16
DemonRHK	00:58
celaph	        01:16
bozotheclown	01:16
damo666	        03:34
Maniac	        00:59
pyxxy	        03:31
rdrivera2005	03:14

Blamp, Celaph, bozo eh

[snowy801]

How in god’s name were 8 of 9 votes at the end for kak
And why did nobody react to this

well speaking personally, until Chaqa flipped over to celaph, I was annoyed and feeling defeated because I thought I had made a reasonably good argument—which was 100% right mind you!—for why Kak was innocent, and basically everyone who voted for him just gave a half-assed “yea but he could fake that” and lazily voted him anyway. and then once I saw other votes rolling in for Kak after Chaqa flipped over, it felt like we just didn’t have the numbers to overcome lazy town inertia.

basically democracy fucking sucks.

Well I thought kak was a PR so silver linings?

[snowy801]

I present to you the most powerful tool in the game

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/stats?g=73&phase=global

Now let's play the game "who went zzz immediately at EoD"

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Player	Last (Now)
BesharamSabi	00:17
President Eden	00:04
Jamiet99uk	00:46
Bonatogether	00:43
snowy801        00:23
brainbomb	01:47
TheFlyingBoat	00:14
Chaqa	        00:22
ghug	        06:45
BusinessLamp	01:16
DemonRHK	00:58
celaph	        01:16
bozotheclown	01:16
damo666	        03:34
Maniac	        00:59
pyxxy	        03:31
rdrivera2005	03:14

Blamp, Celaph, bozo eh

Funny, those are 3 of the last 4 players to vote Kaka as well
Am I trying to insinuate something here? Probably. Someone do it for me

[Chaqa]

Voting for celaph when he's finally starting to contribute is sadge.

Chaqa can you explain this (I'm doing the interaction thing) but you voted for celaph anyways?

Baiting the hook

[ghug]

ghug is probably mafaa, I don't think town ghug would vote for me D2.

It's D1, Bozo.

Not according to the GM.

I'd vote for you D1 too, for the record.

(Also Jesus Christ is this what missing EoD feels like? 30 new pages?)

[ghug]

I have accepted I should be day killed today because knowing brainbomb he's going to tunnel me all game and won't actually scum hunt.

Do you still consider yourself the best DK today?

If it helps all four voting for me plus eden to focus on scum hunting and not tunneling me, yes it's for the best.

Hate this post

[ghug]

And now here we have Ghug trying to draw attention to the inconsequential fact that Ghug mentioned Eden's name in his Page 2 vote on DemonRHK, whereas the more up-to-date position was that Ghug had recently joined DemonRHK's silly Worcej wagon.

Hmmm. Quite suspect reaction from Ghug there.

The others were just not getting jokes but this one feels like it's in bad faith.

Half your posts, and most if not all of your votes, in this phase, could be characterised as "in bad faith" if you ask me, Ghug.

Or do you legitimately scumread Chaqa, myself, DemonRHK, BusinessLamp, Worcej, and Bozo?

I feel I laid my opinions out quite clearly when I voted for bozo.

[brainbomb]

In case this goes south:

The kind and wordy way that PE is contributing with makes me think that he is town. He is starting conversations and leading town in the right direction.

I've liked the way that ghug has pushed back against PE on things that have also caught me as suspect. This is within ghug's scum abilities, but I've liked him so far.

Blamp has improved back to normal town blamp from last game. His ideas are consistent and feel like they are coming from a towny place.

Jamie feels like he has been upset at all the things that I would expect town Jamie to be upset about. Don't just say that "this is within scum Jamie's range". That's a cop out.

Sabi/TFB scummy. Kak's reason for voting me is terrible.

gosh its almost like you couldve joined a sabi wagon all day and just instead chose to do your best dorian gray impression.

while were on that subject hows the attic? have you dusted up there?

[snowy801]

##Vote celaph

We jebaited them into trying to save him

PILE ON

That's. Sus to. Tie. The votes

scum or dumb?

[worcej]

TIL that GMs don’t ask if you’re available and just auto sub you in…

[worcej]

Not really around until post-night, so expect nothing from me until day phase, but also temper said expectations anyways

[snowy801]

TIL that GMs don’t ask if you’re available and just auto sub you in…

based bobert

Welcome worcej (to be fair you do signal availability by signing up as a sub)

[BesharamSabi]

So jamie, the hammer is to make a statement. I don't like the lack of pressure that subs get. Nothing about macca was AI, and if meta holds worc would just be allowed to coast until like D3 on no content.

I'm not even going to go into the low hanging fruit of how subs influenced the last game.

I feel that many of the most pushed points today are fucking lazy, as I stated in my angry wall.

My main question is this:

After a full catchup, is Sabi still your odds-on largest scumread? And who are your top three?

Did Jamiet ever respond to this?

[brainbomb]

From the Carnival Chat

(circus music plays and there is a massive orgy happening. rdrivera is in a mask and black robes)

rdrivera: Let us begin the orgy by sampling this delicious charcuterie board from trader joes.

jamiet99uk: Why is there a 3 armed man, a lesbian with two heads and a talking badger in here?

bona: This is a carnival. I called in some freaks.

rdrivera: You really dont understand brazil do you

pyxxy: I got a brazillian wax once. gotta have a clean basement ya know

bona: I live in my moms basement

Jamiet99uk: What is bob doing? why is bob switching it to night three now?

bob: so worcej joined but it broke the bot again and im all alone, durga didnt really join as co gm

[snowy801]

That was... surprisingly less content for such a massive vote swing. Strange, and worth pondering

I will concede that wagonomics do not favor celaph based upon read, but neither does that mean TFB is not scum

In fact pretty sure TFB went out of his way to save celaph and never voted him despite being a viable counterwagon, if that sways any of ye "celaph is scum" bandwagoners

[BesharamSabi]

Voting for celaph when he's finally starting to contribute is sadge.

Chaqa can you explain this (I'm doing the interaction thing) but you voted for celaph anyways?

Baiting the hook

What do you mean?

[ghug]

like there just isn't a case on kak

I like this whole sequence from bona well in advance of the wagon actually forming.