M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Or should we just ##vote gold and ##end so we can get this stupid farce done. I'm tired of people playing stupidly and wanting to vote Maniac when there's LITERALLY OVER A 90% CHANCE BOTH OF US ARE TOWN

So either step up and get the deed done, or shut up about it and move on.

You seem very tense, Goldfinger. You should try to be calmer.

Be on the look out for things that make you laugh. If you see nothing worth laughing at, pretend you see it, then laugh.

Or, have a nice lie down. When you rest, you are a king surveying your estate. Look at the woodland, the peacocks on the lawn. Be the king of your own calm kingdom.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is that why you're voting for me?

I am not voting for you. Are you having trouble keeping up with the game?

Why you often vote for me, then.

Why is it so hard for you to just answer a question?

You often vote for me.
You do it in every game.

No matter what I do or say, I can guarantee that Ghug will be voting me at some point, in every single game.

That's right Ghug, isn't it?

[rdrivera2005]

I think Bob is town.

I want to find scum today, ideally.

I’m torn on who to vote. If there were not inno scans I’d probably vote you

This is exactly how I am feeling.

Then why are you voting HR?

It’s almost impossible for HR and Goldie to be scum together, no?

Because I keep flip floping on this.

[Jamiet99uk]

Here are some reasons I suspect Ghug, just to stop him accusing me of "not answering", which is one of his tiresome mantras:

1. Ghug worked with Durga at EoD2 to create a silly flashwagon on me without stating a good reason for me to be scum.

2. There's a good possibility that he is scum with HR, or with Maniac, as per Damo's analysis, and now HR is both absent and a serious wagon he seems suddenly very anxious to try to make me the counterwagon to HR.

3. Ghug tried to take credit for Maniac having an inno scan on him, but Maniac was lying.

4. I can't find many reasons to townread him, quite frankly.

5. And as I explained to Chaqa, Ghug engaged in a deliberate deliberate misrepresentation of Kgray's position on me, when he said that Kgray suggested voting me over Ghug. As noted, Kgray did scumread me last night, although her main argument was based on my lack of anger in response to her voting me during D4, which is a pretty weak argument. She suggested I should be one of the wagons today, sure. But the claim that Kgray said I should be a wagon "over Ghug", who she also scumread, is not something I can see any evidence of. So there Ghug is adding an additional emphasis which protects him and pushes me. Twisting the facts, as he usually does when he is trying to get me killed.

Ghug is not a plain dealer.

[ghug]

I am not voting for you. Are you having trouble keeping up with the game?

Why you often vote for me, then.

Why is it so hard for you to just answer a question?

You often vote for me.
You do it in every game.

No matter what I do or say, I can guarantee that Ghug will be voting me at some point, in every single game.

That's right Ghug, isn't it?

Can someone else ask Jamie why he scumreads me so he'll actually answer?

The last time he goaded me into a fight by refusing to answer questions, he was scum. I'm not biting this time.

[Jamiet99uk]

Can someone else ask Jamie why he scumreads me so he'll actually answer?

The last time he goaded me into a fight by refusing to answer questions, he was scum. I'm not biting this time.

Haha, ninja'd you.

[ghug]

Here are some reasons I suspect Ghug, just to stop him accusing me of "not answering", which is one of his tiresome mantras:

1. Ghug worked with Durga at EoD2 to create a silly flashwagon on me without stating a good reason for me to be scum.

2. There's a good possibility that he is scum with HR, or with Maniac, as per Damo's analysis, and now HR is both absent and a serious wagon he seems suddenly very anxious to try to make me the counterwagon to HR.

3. Ghug tried to take credit for Maniac having an inno scan on him, but Maniac was lying.

4. I can't find many reasons to townread him, quite frankly.

5. And as I explained to Chaqa, Ghug engaged in a deliberate deliberate misrepresentation of Kgray's position on me, when he said that Kgray suggested voting me over Ghug. As noted, Kgray did scumread me last night, although her main argument was based on my lack of anger in response to her voting me during D4, which is a pretty weak argument. She suggested I should be one of the wagons today, sure. But the claim that Kgray said I should be a wagon "over Ghug", who she also scumread, is not something I can see any evidence of. So there Ghug is adding an additional emphasis which protects him and pushes me. Twisting the facts, as he usually does when he is trying to get me killed.

Ghug is not a plain dealer.

Ah, there we go.

1. You claim I scumread you every game, so it follows that you shouldn't find this scummy.

2. I've been pushing HR all game. I'm happy for him to die today.

3. What do you mean by "take credit" exactly? Thinking that Maniac had an inno scan on me was entirely reasonable given the context. Not knowing things isn't scummy.

4. Fair.

5. I'll go grab quotes.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are we about to witness another epic clash, pitting the housewives' favourite, Jamie the T, against the King of the Potato People, Ghuggius Maximus?

Stay tuned!

[Jamiet99uk]

2. I've been pushing HR all game. I'm happy for him to die today.

Then I dare you to vote for him at once.

[ghug]

Kgray at the beginning of the night:

rip bona

i'd like to kill ghug tomorrow

Later:

Okay I'm willing to go back to ignoring ghug because he's the only other person being reasonable about Maniac.

Later:

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

[ghug]

2. I've been pushing HR all game. I'm happy for him to die today.

Then I dare you to vote for him at once.

I like ties.

[Donny Dude]

Chaqa, it's about sending a message. Bob's not voting me *now* but everything he posts comes back to "I'd vote gold if I could". So when I flip town (because we will either hit GF and I'll be night killed or we don't and I'll be day killed eventually) he'll have *zero* to go off of, and he openly admits to caring less and less about reading back as the day goes on. That's exactly the type of person scum will keep alive to the end if they can.

So when we're at LYLO, do you want Bob there, or one of the members of the wagons you currently think are town?

Or do you want to pressure him seriously and force him to start commiting?

I think Bob is town.

I want to find scum today, ideally.

I’m torn on who to vote. If there were not inno scans I’d probably vote you

Sigh, never mind Chaqa. I think Bob is town, and you too. As I said, it's about sending a message. Log in, see you're leading wagon might light a fire under your ass and get you to widen your reads a bit.

Or should we just ##vote gold and ##end so we can get this stupid farce done. I'm tired of people playing stupidly and wanting to vote Maniac when there's LITERALLY OVER A 90% CHANCE BOTH OF US ARE TOWN

So either step up and get the deed done, or shut up about it and move on.

I find this frustration by gold to be towny due to the fact I am not sure scum goldwould want to be wanting to kill themselves.

[Jamiet99uk]

Kgray at the beginning of the night:

rip bona

i'd like to kill ghug tomorrow

Later:

Okay I'm willing to go back to ignoring ghug because he's the only other person being reasonable about Maniac.

Later:

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

Even later than that:

if i die kill ghug

[Jamiet99uk]

3. What do you mean by "take credit" exactly? Thinking that Maniac had an inno scan on me was entirely reasonable given the context. Not knowing things isn't scummy.

You only made explicit reference to it after DemonRHK flipped.

Maniac only made a clear statement that he had you as an inno scan 1 minute before EoN4. You now appear to remember it as if he'd declared an inno scan on you for a period of time before this, while his claim was still believed (by some people). This is suspicious.

[ghug]

Kgray at the beginning of the night:

rip bona

i'd like to kill ghug tomorrow

Later:

Okay I'm willing to go back to ignoring ghug because he's the only other person being reasonable about Maniac.

Later:

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

Even later than that:

if i die kill ghug

Durga, is this a joke?

[Jamiet99uk]

Possibility:

Ghug knew that Maniac was fake claiming cop, and knew in advance that Maniac intended to declare an inno scan on him for whatever reason. This would only be possible if Ghug and Maniac were the remaining scum.

Thoughts?

[ghug]

3. What do you mean by "take credit" exactly? Thinking that Maniac had an inno scan on me was entirely reasonable given the context. Not knowing things isn't scummy.

You only made explicit reference to it after DemonRHK flipped.

Maniac only made a clear statement that he had you as an inno scan 1 minute before EoN4. You now appear to remember it as if he'd declared an inno scan on you for a period of time before this, while his claim was still believed (by some people). This is suspicious.

Many of us went back and looked at the posts he had directed us to when he claimed. The only post that looked like crumbing an inno was this one:

Ghug has done that thing that qualifies him as Town with a capital T.

This was discussed at length before RHK died.

[Jamiet99uk]

1. Ghug worked with Durga at EoD2 to create a silly flashwagon on me without stating a good reason for me to be scum.

1. You claim I scumread you every game, so it follows that you shouldn't find this scummy.

To reflect your own logic back at you:

You claim I am scum every fucking game, again and again and again and again, so it follows that you shouldn't find everything I do scummy.

And yet.

[Donny Dude]

Jamiet, Does scum ghug vote for fellow scum hr on d3 with the end result being durga is scum?

[ghug]

1. Ghug worked with Durga at EoD2 to create a silly flashwagon on me without stating a good reason for me to be scum.

1. You claim I scumread you every game, so it follows that you shouldn't find this scummy.

To reflect your own logic back at you:

You claim I am scum every fucking game, again and again and again and again, so it follows that you shouldn't find everything I do scummy.

And yet.

Maybe you're just a scummy person.

I also don't agree with your assertion that I always scumread you, but I don't see much benefit to our arguing over it.