M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Good take...? You forgot it was Vecna who RB'd you?

What?

Damo said Vecna was a goon, Vecna was in reality the RB, so I feel like Vecna being the RB would be on your mind since you were allegedly RB'd.

In the context of his post, I understood it to simply mean he wasn’t The Godfather.

Besides, I doubt Vecna unilaterally decided the roleblock, he probably just entered whatever order Durga and other more active scum told him to.

[Chaqa]

You have to remember that Chaqa is stoned half the time.

Damo's post had nothing to do with roleblocks. What relevance does it have???

1. Damo called Vecna a "goon".
2. You referred to the post in which Damo said that as a "good take".
3. Vecna was the Roleblocker.
4. You claim you were roleblocked.
5. Yet you didn't notice Damo calling Vecna a Mafia Goon.

The good take was about Goldie being VT. You guys are inferring an explanation based off a context the post wasn’t even about…

[kgray]

What?

Damo said Vecna was a goon, Vecna was in reality the RB, so I feel like Vecna being the RB would be on your mind since you were allegedly RB'd.

In the context of his post, I understood it to simply mean he wasn’t The Godfather.

Besides, I doubt Vecna unilaterally decided the roleblock, he probably just entered whatever order Durga and other more active scum told him to.

Yeah, maybe so. I kind of feel like it makes sense I was RB'd if Vecna really thought I was being less confrontational and therefore more likely to be a PR. He's stated before that he thinks that's a tell for me. But for your RB it seems very plausible that he listened to his team more than making his own decision.

[Chaqa]

Plus like his entire argument makes sense regardless

How does Vecna being roleblocker matter when the PRs are all dead????

He was just a goon in all but name

[kgray]

Damo's post had nothing to do with roleblocks. What relevance does it have???

1. Damo called Vecna a "goon".
2. You referred to the post in which Damo said that as a "good take".
3. Vecna was the Roleblocker.
4. You claim you were roleblocked.
5. Yet you didn't notice Damo calling Vecna a Mafia Goon.

The good take was about Goldie being VT. You guys are inferring an explanation based off a context the post wasn’t even about…

But the take that Goldie was a VT was dependent on the assumption that Vecna was a goon. If that underlying assumption is wrong, how can the take be that good?

[kgray]

Plus like his entire argument makes sense regardless

How does Vecna being roleblocker matter when the PRs are all dead????

He was just a goon in all but name

Demon wasn't dead when Vecna was killed?????

[Chaqa]

Plus like his entire argument makes sense regardless

How does Vecna being roleblocker matter when the PRs are all dead????

He was just a goon in all but name

Ah, the Cop was still alive. right.

[Chaqa]

Plus like his entire argument makes sense regardless

How does Vecna being roleblocker matter when the PRs are all dead????

He was just a goon in all but name

Demon wasn't dead when Vecna was killed?????

Does scumDamo make this gaffe? I don't think so

[kgray]

Plus like his entire argument makes sense regardless

How does Vecna being roleblocker matter when the PRs are all dead????

He was just a goon in all but name

Demon wasn't dead when Vecna was killed?????

Does scumDamo make this gaffe? I don't think so

I don't know, but you doubling down on damo's take being good because the RB was basically a goon implies that you're not even thinking about where damo's logic is coming from, and you were willing to just believe it without determining if it was really a good point, which I find incredibly sus.

[Chaqa]

Demon wasn't dead when Vecna was killed?????

Does scumDamo make this gaffe? I don't think so

I don't know, but you doubling down on damo's take being good because the RB was basically a goon implies that you're not even thinking about where damo's logic is coming from, and you were willing to just believe it without determining if it was really a good point, which I find incredibly sus.

The logic made sense to me when I read it.

When you mentioned the roleblock thing, I first didn't get why it was relevant, and then thought it irrelevant since Roleblocker is basically a Goon once PRs are dead.

It did not cross my mind til a bit later that the context Damo was discussing happened before the Cop had died.

[Chaqa]

it is seeming more and more likely scum was on the celaph wagon.

Unless it's 2 of like HR, Donny, Damo, Gold, Maniac

[rdrivera2005]

Well, I was expecting to be dead today, but I won't say Bona wasa bad choice as it would be hypocrisy.

I confess I am starting to enter that paranoia mode where everyone looks scum. I still think Kgray, Jamiet, Damo, Bob and TFB are town. Probably Donny from the D1 wagon, but this is starting to vanish a bit. Maniac claim would be really bold for a scum and with the inno I don't want to push this slot.
So, for last two scum I have Ghug, Chaqa, HR and Gold.

Why do you think damo is town?

Good question. I tryied to formulate why and just can´t give a rational reason. It´s more his general tone and that I usually have a good read on him when he is scum and lives some days. It could be him buddying me and townreading me since start, but I don´t think it´s the case.

[rdrivera2005]

@damo can you please summarize why you scumread maniac? I have looked through your ISO and an you just continually appear to be willing to vote him despite defending his 'mad theory' to TFB but the only reason I can find for you scumreading him is that you don't townread him. On N3 you agreed that he was town but then soon after you tell Chaqa to put him back into his scumpool, and then you're just back to keeping him in your 'would-vote' list.

I don't see any reason for scum!Maniac to claim cop there. He was under so little pressure and Vecna was clearly under pressure, it couldn't have been worth it to out the cop in exchange for both of them. Besides, scum hitting Demon last night kinda makes me think they figured out he was the cop anyway, though that's not really the point and I still don't think scum!Maniac fakeclaims like that.

Exactly, I said this, I think this need to be an atrocious scum play to fake claim at that point only to get the RBer killed.

[goldfinger0303]

Whoah, whoah.

Everyone, can you please wait to figure out how I'm mechanically a townclear until *after* night, maybe?

[goldfinger0303]

Jesus, I thought this was a veteran group.

[kgray]

lmao imagine reading all that and deciding it makes goldie mechanically townclear

[Jamiet99uk]

Whoah, whoah.

Everyone, can you please wait to figure out how I'm mechanically a townclear until *after* night, maybe?

It's fine, don't worry, you aren't.

[Chaqa]

What do people think about Donny?

[Donny Dude]

More POE than actual scumread. There is no VCA to eliminate him and I do think the fakeclaim could have been a scum move to out the real cop. However I would prefer HR first.

I don't think we can use VCA to eliminate anybody and I have convincing (imo) reasons to think Maniac is town. I do not believe the fake claim comes from scum and I do not think it was an attempt to out the real cop.

I have just realized I am using VCA to eliminate bob from my scumpool, so I should be less black and white about that statement. But I think that two flipped scum trying to make him a wagon is a lot more of a reason to townread bob than someone putting a deciding vote on a widely-townread scumbo like celaph. I mean at this point, everyone pushing hard for the celaph counterwagon was town. I think it's pretty safe to assume scum gave up on him (which was very rude, I would have never).

So, I take it you think scum did not bus celaph outside of vecna?

[Donny Dude]

I think we should put Bob back in the PoE.

Sus tier: Bob, Donny, HR
Meh tier: Damo, Rivera
TBD tier: Goldie, Maniac
TFB tier: TFB
Jeff Kuta tier: Chaqa, ghug, kgray, Jamie

No, I don't think we can put bob back in the POE when two flipped scum tried to get a bob counterwagon to town!Flum near EoD1.

I just looked at Durga and celaph's day 1 ISO w/r/t Bob.

durga, celaph, join me

fine ##vote bob

That doesn't really look like "trying to get a Bob wagon going" so much as being indifferent. Again, I think it's possible there was a summit_fever style bus going on at some point.

Celaph's is kinda interesting.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... rt=d1&g=72

He goes from saying he likes several things about Bob, to shading him, in a really weird and unnatural way. I recommend doing a Ctrl+F on Bob in the above ISO and seeing if it makes sense to you. Not sure what to make of it yet.

Yeah looking at that at looking at the votes at the time where celaph first shaded bob
It was tfb then flum then celaph then bob
that is a weird progression though and it does come with tfb in the lead and celaph as a cw with flum.
I think this was celaph looking for a new wagon based on how things were looking and did not want to vote the main wagons to look towny.
Based off that, I doubt he would move to a scum partner so bob is prob town.