I just said no clue about the RHK meta stuff. I remember RHK as scum being more low key than this RHK but that was also like 4 years ago. What do you think of Vecna?
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
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There's so much time left.???rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:19 pmI think he is just not caming back before EOD and choose to have a usefull vote between the top wagons.
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I thought that was in the context of Vecna, not RHK. I agree with everyone who disagreed with Vecna's meta read. I also really didn't like that post about me claiming a role, but I still think there are better options today. He's interacting enough to give us more to work on.Durga wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:21 pmI just said no clue about the RHK meta stuff. I remember RHK as scum being more low key than this RHK but that was also like 4 years ago. What do you think of Vecna?
I'd vote for him over Bob or RHK though.
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I fell asleep at lunch and got caught up in work, did I miss anything important?
I did see Jamie being Jamie in my catchup, but looks like HR and ghug handled that.
I did see Jamie being Jamie in my catchup, but looks like HR and ghug handled that.
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Why is he asking if he missed anything important when he said he did a catch-up and has barely been away
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@ghug wait did your reads list that I totally didn't read say you town read tfb
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This is what he said.Durga wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:22 pmThere's so much time left.???rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:19 pmI think he is just not caming back before EOD and choose to have a usefull vote between the top wagons.
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How does this view change knowing now that Lamp is NOT a new player? As an aside, I feel kinda dumb for feeling like Perry Mason when I declared in my opinion that he was hiding the fact that he had played elsewhere before based on the heuristics he was employing not matching up with that of a supposed rookie/new player. Turns out he did say he played on MS before. Lol.ghug wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:55 pmRHK - YesTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:18 amWith RHK I presume you meant you can't seem him doing the weird data thing as scum?ghug wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:09 amI feel like I've been slacking off today, and I don't really like the wagons, so I'm gonna take stock of my thoughts. 90% of this is for me, so read at your own peril.
People I don't want to kill today because I townread them (this is ordered, TFB):
Lamp
Bob
Chaqa
bozo
Donny
Maniac
kgray
RHK
Boat
People I don't want to kill today because they're null reads and more likely to be valuable to town than scum:
Durga
Damo
Other people (scummier at the bottom):
gold
Vecna
Bona
Jamie
Rd
HR
Celaph
Honestly this is better than I thought it'd be. The scum pool is all pretty clustered, and Durga should probably be sitting next to gold there too, but I don't want to do that to either of them. The town pool is comfortably large. Some relevant thoughts on individuals:
RHK - Like gold, and I guess maybe also Bob in this game, he tends to say things that are just kinda icky and make us want to scumread him, so that needs to be considered. His vote for boat at EoD was also really bad, but I can't see him doing the stupid data thing as town, and his reaction to the roleblock nonsense was nice. I think killing him today is a mistake.
Bob - Again, probably harming his own case by being abrasive, but the guy is willing to talk a lot, and I think the explanation of his reaction to my roleblock claim is a little too intricate for him to have faked it. I've come around a lot to the townread.
Vecna - Fox wasn't playing great, so I get not townreading the slot, and Vecna seems likely to be useless, so I get not wanting to give him time, but how is this really anyone's best scumread at this point? It's a big fat load of nothing (with a beautiful, balding, burgundy head).
Damo - I feel like I usually have a stronger read. I disliked him early, and he remains kinda useless, but in a way that doesn't really strike me as scummy
Jamie, Rd - Dudes have sucked today, though I guess we all have. Jamie feels like he's coasting on being widely townread and rd feels like he's retreated after pressure to let us all attack each other instead.
HR - I've agreed with enough of his posts today that I'm slightly less inclined to kill him, not he's good enough (at this pointless game we play on the internet, don't let your ego get ahead of you) that I'm not gonna let that affect my read too much.
Boat - Has gotten a lot worse and nearly leapfrogged Damo in Durga in my list above. Needs to shape up.
I do like the Bob re-eval even though I don't hold the same confidence in it as you do.
With Foxna, I think you understate the issues with Foxcastle's case and I get the feeling you are trying to kill the wagon while also still maintaining cover in case he does flip scum. Don't like this
According to you, Damo is pretty easy to read eventually (justification proffered to keep him alive both when you were scum and town iirc even when he looks bad). When do you think Damo will out himself to you? What makes him just seem bad town instead of scum?
Jamie, rd. Sure
HR ??? What was the basis under which you wanted to kill him in the first place? Maybe I missed it when I was following along, but I don't recall much other than you finding it weird he was on at EoD?
Me - yeah, I've sucked today. Should be better over the weekend when I have more time.
Anyways, questions regarding the ordering (since I do appreciate you ordering it), what makes you have Jamie below Vecna? I get being peeved by the perceived coasting, but that seems like a precipitous drop without the commensurate scummy behavior I would expect to justify it.
Next, why is Lamp so high in your list? I get the townread, he's done a lot of townie things and behaved far more experienced than you'd expect for someone that says they're brand new to forum mafia. I may be misremembering this but I think you mentioned you didn't like the Bona switch onto me at the end of they day as opposed to switching onto an actual counter wagon. Why do you not apply this same standard to lamp?
Vecna - Nah, it's a weak case.
Damo - Town damo is thinking about the game, his thought processes just don't make sense. Scum damo fakes this, and one can usually determine that there isn't a thought process.
HR - The activity at EoD was part of it. The fact that he spent the whole time shading every counter to Flum without really focusing on whether he scumread Flum, and specifically the way he generated his townread on Bob makes him look scummy.
Jamie - I scumread him yesterday too, so it's not a precipitous drop. I think the push on Flum is marginally more likely to come from scum Jamie than town Jamie, and he hasn't done anything else to impress me.
Lamp - I think the desire to get on the wagon you feel is best at the end is more likely to be legitimate coming from someone who's not used to playing mafia, and his stated preference was you or Flum rather than a flip from Flum to not Flum, so the whole thing irks me less than Bona's or RHK's vote. I appreciate the skepticism, as he'd definitely be better than most new players as scum, but I still think he's town.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Why do I feel like you only appear everytime someone mentions you
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Don't have time to fully catch up before class, though I'll be back afterwards and around for a couple hours before EoD.
For the people on Bob's wagon, what do you make of his D1 EoD behavior? I agree that his aggression to the people on his wagon is scummy, but I see him being characterized as scum who is angry that he was caught early and I'm not seeing it. If that description is accurate, why would he just leave for 5 minutes and come back with a town case on rdr, the other main cw? I can see scum making such a play, but it would be a calculated and thoughtful scum play which doesn't fit well with the rest of Bob's behavior. I feel like the narrative of him being a town whose upset at the pressure, but still trying to solve is way more cohesive.
For the people on Bob's wagon, what do you make of his D1 EoD behavior? I agree that his aggression to the people on his wagon is scummy, but I see him being characterized as scum who is angry that he was caught early and I'm not seeing it. If that description is accurate, why would he just leave for 5 minutes and come back with a town case on rdr, the other main cw? I can see scum making such a play, but it would be a calculated and thoughtful scum play which doesn't fit well with the rest of Bob's behavior. I feel like the narrative of him being a town whose upset at the pressure, but still trying to solve is way more cohesive.
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ghug what do you think of Bob doing an ISO of me while "Expecting to scumread me" and then somehow being surprised that he did?
I agree on RHK - their meta is too similar as both town and scum, and while I'm not ruling out the possibility of them being scum, there's better marks today. Vecna I'm still not sold on though.
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Comparing D1 activity to D2, it's interesting how much of a difference there is for some people. Notable ones include Bona (massive drop), Damo (moderate increase), and TFB (moderate decrease).
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Posts Words Chars W/Post Player Last (DL)
1 165 4821 24987 29.22 kgray 00:01
2 134 4333 23227 32.34 Jamiet99uk 00:03
3 132 1799 9578 13.63 Bonatogether 00:01
4 130 1866 9403 14.35 Durga 00:03
5 117 1729 8721 14.78 ghug 00:01
6 115 4725 24257 41.09 TheFlyingBoat 00:05
7 99 2365 12522 23.89 BobMcBob 00:02
8 96 1880 9486 19.58 DeathLlama8 00:01
9 94 3103 15657 33.01 Fluminator 00:01
10 89 2783 14342 31.27 BusinessLamp 00:01
11 78 1626 8007 20.85 Donny Dude 00:02
12 54 970 4892 17.96 Chaqa 00:14
13 40 1292 6600 32.30 DemonRHK 00:01
14 40 1255 6081 31.38 rdrivera2005 00:09
15 38 962 5014 25.32 celaph 00:04
16 36 1369 7198 38.03 Hellenic Riot 00:01
17 32 833 4350 26.03 bozotheclown 00:08
18 27 351 1859 13.00 damo666 02:42
19 20 314 1711 15.70 Vecna 00:49
20 17 1760 11498 103.53 BesharamSabi 00:05
21 17 520 2842 30.59 Foxcastle 07:40
22 8 639 3199 79.88 Maniac 01:03
23 3 459 2324 153.00 Tom Bombadil 05:24
24 3 123 583 41.00 goldfinger0303 1d 11h 59m
25 1 69 346 69.00 peterlund 1d 4h 39m
26 1 9 43 9.00 dargorygel 1d 20h 9m
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Posts Words Chars W/Post Player Last (Now)
1 73 1531 7562 20.97 Durga 00:07
2 70 2000 10238 28.57 ghug 00:24
3 67 1900 9886 28.36 kgray 01:20
4 61 1297 6809 21.26 damo666 01:27
5 57 1785 9632 31.32 Jamiet99uk 01:53
6 48 2945 15357 61.35 BobMcBob 04:42
7 44 1142 5713 25.95 Chaqa 00:22
8 42 1344 7154 32.00 Vecna 02:25
9 38 2667 13613 70.18 goldfinger0303 01:05
10 35 1318 6838 37.66 BusinessLamp 02:00
11 30 533 2733 17.77 Bonatogether 02:15
12 28 1232 6564 44.00 celaph 12:38
13 18 662 3464 36.78 bozotheclown 00:40
14 17 2496 12647 146.82 TheFlyingBoat 00:08
15 17 610 3049 35.88 rdrivera2005 00:12
16 15 1713 9398 114.20 Hellenic Riot 02:50
17 12 494 2534 41.17 DemonRHK 12:26
18 9 1021 6450 113.44 BesharamSabi 01:14
19 8 583 3004 72.88 Donny Dude 02:13
20 3 741 3972 247.00 Tom Bombadil 04:18
21 3 638 3341 212.67 Maniac 12:23
695 28652 149958 41.23 Total Counts
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
I mean I'd consider it.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:10 pmGood point, you should vote for Vecna.kgray wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:27 pmProve it bozo!!! Where are your snippets?? Or are you just arguing with Vecna????bozotheclown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:50 pm
It seems to me Vecna is fabricating things, I was mafia with RHK once and I would say he was the opposite of agitated.
But actually it really annoys me that Vecna's response to me disagreeing with him was "where's your evidence?" when he provided no evidence of his own.
I don't know what games Vecna is talking about, but the only games I remember offhand with RHK as mafia were M40 and M55. I must not have been in the game you were referring to.
I also do not know what games Vecna referenced to make his conclusion about Donny.
btw I feel like bozo telling me to vote for someone is very unlike scum!bozo. Bozo, can you fact check me on that please?
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afaik he's been townreading boatman since they 'argued' early D1. Somehow that makes them impossible scumbuddies in boatman's eyes....
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"It's so towny for bob to make a town case on his own counterwagon" says celaph, making a town case on his own counterwagon.celaph wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:50 pmDon't have time to fully catch up before class, though I'll be back afterwards and around for a couple hours before EoD.
For the people on Bob's wagon, what do you make of his D1 EoD behavior? I agree that his aggression to the people on his wagon is scummy, but I see him being characterized as scum who is angry that he was caught early and I'm not seeing it. If that description is accurate, why would he just leave for 5 minutes and come back with a town case on rdr, the other main cw? I can see scum making such a play, but it would be a calculated and thoughtful scum play which doesn't fit well with the rest of Bob's behavior. I feel like the narrative of him being a town whose upset at the pressure, but still trying to solve is way more cohesive.
But actually I kind of agree. I don't really see the bob case tbh.
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That Bona had a massive drop in activity, Damo had a moderate increase, and TFB had a moderate decrease.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
I've been thinking more about Night 1.
Clearly the DL kill was PR hunting, so presumably my roleblock was as well, but I can't for the life of me figure out why scum would think I was a PR. I'm pretty sure anyone who has played with me enough (Durga, ghug, kgray, Bozo, Bona, lots more) would not think I'm a PR based off of my Day 1, and also would likely want to not give me any quasi-town clear (despite the natural suspicion that a roleblock brings being a competing theory in my head canon) so that I can be miskilled later.
This makes me wonder if the scum team is composed of players who are either new, returning, or semi-regulars.
I'm thinking a team made of players like BusinessLamp, celaph, HR, TFB, Donny, etc.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it.
Clearly the DL kill was PR hunting, so presumably my roleblock was as well, but I can't for the life of me figure out why scum would think I was a PR. I'm pretty sure anyone who has played with me enough (Durga, ghug, kgray, Bozo, Bona, lots more) would not think I'm a PR based off of my Day 1, and also would likely want to not give me any quasi-town clear (despite the natural suspicion that a roleblock brings being a competing theory in my head canon) so that I can be miskilled later.
This makes me wonder if the scum team is composed of players who are either new, returning, or semi-regulars.
I'm thinking a team made of players like BusinessLamp, celaph, HR, TFB, Donny, etc.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it.
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