M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hellenic Riot]

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

'All three' is rather forgiving of kgray sliding onto the Bob wagon at last second, too.

[ghug]

Or he sees Flum running away with it and is choosing to preemptively shit on town's thought processes rather than dirty his hands needlessly.

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

you don't even believe in scumslips. also, how can that be a scumslip?

Yeah I'm being silly.

The entire premise of my post was that Flum was going to flip town. Why would one of the loudest advocates for Flum's death agree with me?

[kgray]

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

jumping to not the main counterwagon is a good point though

[DemonRHK]

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

Tis a good point. I saw a jump to TFB before me and followed suit, I panicked and didn't check who the lead counter was, just wanted to make sure the vote got in on time

[ghug]

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

'All three' is rather forgiving of kgray sliding onto the Bob wagon at last second, too.

She was on rd and got on the lead counterwagon. That's less weird to me.

[BobMcBob]

Also I would like everyone on my wagon at the end of the day (except maniac) to explain why. I don't care if you have stated a case on me already, please state it again anyway. Not that I think that'll be a problem.

[kgray]

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

'All three' is rather forgiving of kgray sliding onto the Bob wagon at last second, too.

what does this mean?

[Jamiet99uk]

Annoying.

[Durga]

rip, sorry Flum

I still think Jamie and boatman are townie and Flum could definitely be right about Rivera wanting to avoid getting his hands dirty, though I don't see the need for him to question Flum's wagon composition in that case. Unless, of course, Flum's wagon was all town at that time.

I feel good about HR, I think.

I feel very not good about Durga and ghug.

Chaqa and bozo hardly cared which is sus.

Why? Because flum said to be wary? Or what?

[Hellenic Riot]

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

'All three' is rather forgiving of kgray sliding onto the Bob wagon at last second, too.

She was on rd and got on the lead counterwagon. That's less weird to me.

Is it? If you're saying that people wanted to avoid looking like they had blood on their hands; not lifting a finger to save Flum until it's too late but then parking on the main counterwagon at the last second is pretty much the epitome of that.

I don't find her particularly suspicious overall, but I do not see how you can let that slide so easily whilst damning the others.

[DemonRHK]

Annoying.

Vintage

[ghug]

Also I would like everyone on my wagon at the end of the day (except maniac) to explain why. I don't care if you have stated a case on me already, please state it again anyway. Not that I think that'll be a problem.

I left, but you were being bad and I didn't want Flum dead.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Why isn't he voting Flum for self-preservation and instead drawing as much attention to himself as he possibly can despite having already been called out for how poor these posts are?

The only possible scenario I can see Bob being scum at this point is if he's making a brainbomb tier play to try and sacrifice himself to save Flum, his teammate.

Or he sees Flum running away with it and is choosing to preemptively shit on town's thought processes rather than dirty his hands needlessly.

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

How is that a scum slip? Because I considered the possibility I could have been wrong and what rdr's behavior could be in that scenario? The way I saw it at the time is as follows: If it were scum!Flum, rdr would try and claim he was right all along and spooked by me weirdly joining the wagon (how he thought it was weird given my hours of proselytizing is beyond me). If it were town!Flum then rdr gets to wash his hands of it all and say he was right all along, tfb is super sus for pushing this wagon, let's kill him D2 fast as he has to be scum and that he never wanted any part of the Flum wagon even if he thought what Flum did was weird.

[kgray]

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

you don't even believe in scumslips. also, how can that be a scumslip?

Yeah I'm being silly.

The entire premise of my post was that Flum was going to flip town. Why would one of the loudest advocates for Flum's death agree with me?

Oh, gotcha. Yeah that's odd and it did seem weird that boatman was supporting non-Flum wagons when Flum was the main one

[Jamiet99uk]

To attempt to be a slightly nicer Mafia player (for now), I shall deign to answer your question though Bob. The post asking what the hell the rdrivera wagon was was particularly poor because there was a prolonged, fairly lengthy exchange between myself & kgray where we both elucidated multiple reasons for why we were suspicious of rdrivera - Something that other people such as TFB also chimed in on and agreed with. Whilst I may be able to excuse you not getting the Donny wagon as it took a long time for the stones to start the avalanche on that front not knowing why people were voting rdrivera when you were around for the entire discussion about it is less excusable. If you're going to question a wagon, please at least read the reasons from the people suggesting & discussing it.

I had approximately 5 minutes before eod and looked over rdr and saw absolutely nothing unusual about it. Also it's very hard to find those reasons by looking at vote tracker so I had to form an opinion on it somehow. Because it was a wagon that was around.

You started posting an hour and a half before the EoD and began posting frequently 20 minutes before it. You don't need to follow the vote tracker when the discussion is happening while you're present.

Agree with HR here.

Bob you either look very shady, very unobservent, or very lazy there.

[Durga]

is it too meta to think that anyone who posted in the first couple minutes of night is town (bc arent running to scumchat)

have you all as a community moved past that

Eh, you can guess, hem and haw on it, but trying to scumhunt off of night activity is a crapshoot in my experience (however, I am shit at scumhunting)

take a shot everytime RHK says he's shit at scumhunting or he can't read people

[BobMcBob]

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

jumping to not the main counterwagon is a good point though

Which conveniently avoids any blame for you jumping to me?

[Hellenic Riot]

I had approximately 5 minutes before eod and looked over rdr and saw absolutely nothing unusual about it. Also it's very hard to find those reasons by looking at vote tracker so I had to form an opinion on it somehow. Because it was a wagon that was around.

You started posting an hour and a half before the EoD and began posting frequently 20 minutes before it. You don't need to follow the vote tracker when the discussion is happening while you're present.

Agree with HR here.

Bob you either look very shady, very unobservent, or very lazy there.

This might be the first time in history Jamie has ever agreed with me; so he's almost certainly mafia

[Donny Dude]

rip Flum

[BusinessLamp]

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

I quite frankly fail to see how there was anything groundbreaking enough in Flum's post to change minds on him, so I'm also suspicious of everyone who jumped ship, yeah.

It's not just that they jumped ship, it's the doing it at the last second and not even getting on the main counterwagon. All three of them wanted Flum dead but didn't want to be the killer.

no but to answer seriously, for my part i was torn because i still wanted a flip in the Flum/TFB region, right? anything else would just make the same discussion happen tomorrow, and i didn't feel badly about bob. I wish the switch happened two minutes earlier so people could've reacted, but I wasn't thinking fast enough. It wasn't until Bona switched that I was like "oh shit maybe that's still a possibility, thats a good idea" It's hard to know how long 2 minutes is and what's possible there. i think if it happened at :56 instead of :58 might've yielded different results. just wasn't thinking fast enough.