Listing someone as a top scumread and then not voting for them definitely draws attention. It doesn't matter though because Flum and Snowy aren't my top scumreads, damo, yourself and Macca are rn.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:17 pmI want to call out this line in particular because of how poorly reasoned/weird it is.Squigs44 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:47 pmOkay, so I listed Snowy Flum and Bozo in my POE. The main reason they were lower down is because I think they are more valuable to town if they are town, whereas the "weaker" players aren't missed much regardless of alignment.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:29 pm
Snowy and ghug for sure based on my direct experience with them. Tom, rdr, bozo, brain, and Flum based on reputation. Definitely not me, Damo (I think he's a fine player but reputation-wise from what other's have told me in M70, here, and what I've seen in other games, he generally has a reputation for being out there and he had a pretty bad scum slip in 1020 that was conspicuous yet never acted upon), and three inactives lol.
If you want to talk about not drawing attention, let's loom at your list of 5 scum: Macca, lfischl, meme, ghug, flum. The 5 most common scumreads right now I think. While you do have flum and ghug as "stronger" players on your list, they are receiving quite a bit of pressure, so listing them is not going to "draw their ire".
My 5 differ from yours by including yourself and damo, 2 people whose ire I have drawn.
This doesn't make any sense. Your 5 most likely scum list isn't your final vote. You can say you think Flum is the most likely scum guy and vote for someone else because you believe that they are a weaker player so if you are wrong and they are town the loss is less severe. I don't think anyone would fault you for that.The main reason they were lower down is because I think they are more valuable to town if they are town, whereas the "weaker" players aren't missed much regardless of alignment.
I myself came to a similar conclusion about ghug and figured that despite him being scum in my eyes, it is far more likely that he is NKed in a multi game, scum or not, so I can punt that vote to later and take a shot at Macca who is unlikely to be NKed, costs us little if wrong, and seems kinda scummy.
As for the rest of it...
When it comes to claims I am going with the flow on Flum/ghug, that's just silly. I was one of Flum's heaviest pressurers. It's not like the pressure came from nowhere so somehow indicting me for going with the flow when I was one of the earliest and the heaviest pushers of him is just terrible, terrible reading.
Also your list of mine is outdated. My updated one is Durga, Flum, and Fox and the other team as Macca, Meme, and Ghug.
So our five actually only shares Macca and Meme. That's a pretty disparate list considering it's 14C5 excluding yourself?
Nothing you said there made any sense, my dude.
I didn't say you were going with the flow, I said your push was less likely to draw ire (although your vote on ghug probably could be classified this way).
And I apologize for not seeing your updated reads list.
