M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3221 Post by damo666 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 pm

DeathLlama8 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:01 am
reread d3 before eod and didn't really get anything out of it tbh

bona, when you were questioning bozo on the "is there any way town could be misreading you" line, what were you hoping to find out?

damo, can you explain how/why your read on sabi keeps evolving?

ghug, how has your analysis of the case where bozo is town evolved from when you posted it on d3?
Their fake? enthusiasm reeked of scum. But then they make real townposts. I'm really 50/50 tbh.
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#3222 Post by damo666 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:41 pm

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:01 am
damo666 wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:13 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:12 pm
Fuck

At least we know there are only three scum, I guess...
Who are the other two ghug?
Damo, who do you think are ghug scum team mates and why? Also who do you think isn't his team mates.

Please teach me how you figure out the scum pairs thing because it seems like that scene in always sunny with Charlie with the evidence board thing.
Anyone but darg
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#3223 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:51 pm

damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:35 pm
##vote Squigs

Why did you not switch?
Can you be more specific? Switch what and when?
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#3224 Post by damo666 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm

Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:51 pm
damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:35 pm
##vote Squigs

Why did you not switch?
Can you be more specific? Switch what and when?
From bozo to ghug
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#3225 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:20 am
Squigs44:

Who is on top of your scum read list besides ghug?

Why did you naked vote him and then came back in and re emphasized the naked vote?

If you do end up coming back before EOD who would you change your vote for?
After ghug it's darg/damo, yourself, Bona, DL in that order

I naked voted him because I wanted to see reactions. Both ghugs reaction to try to see if I should stick to that vote, and others reactions to see if I could figure out any possible scummates.

In order for me to change my vote there would have to be another viable wagon since we need town consolidation.

Why do you want to know who I would switch my vote for? Trying to get a wagon to save ghug?
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#3226 Post by DeathLlama8 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:05 pm

ghug wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:16 am
DeathLlama8 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:07 am
I really hope it's at least one of ghug/bona because (1) if not we're getting destroyed lmao (2) we'll have less info to go on even if we get today right (3) if ghug specifically is town we've probably already lost given the current vote

still strongly townread sabi so in that case it'd have to be exactly damo/darg/squigs

in terms of potential bona teammates from eod2 damo (bona was second highest scumread around halfway through d2, but never seriously considers the wagon) and kinda squigs ("trending upwards" with 3 hours left and explains why, but at least was scumreading him before) were the only people around who especially scumread bona
Wait why me and Bona specifically?
Just whoever’s been an eod wagon already
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#3227 Post by DeathLlama8 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:05 pm

damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm
Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:51 pm
damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:35 pm
##vote Squigs

Why did you not switch?
Can you be more specific? Switch what and when?
From bozo to ghug
This assumes that ghug is scum. Why aren’t you voting ghug?
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#3228 Post by DeathLlama8 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 pm

Squigs, what did you learn from the (lack of) reactions to your vote?
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#3229 Post by damo666 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 pm

From mpov possible scumteams are:

Bona Sabi ghug
darg Sabi DL
any 3 from {Squigs Sabi DL ghug]

Frequency count:

Bona 1
Sabi 5
ghug 4
darg 1
DL 4
Squigs 3

Doubt Sabi will get enouh votes so ##vote ghug ##end
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#3230 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:10 pm

ghug wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:06 am
Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:35 am
Ugh... I'm on vacation and internet is going in and out so I lost a big long post I had written. Yall get the tldr:

-I thought there would be a bigger reaction to me naked voting ghug as my only post in 2 and a half days, which is strange
-Accepting that ghug is scum is the only way this game makes sense/the only way I can cope with playing so bad
-ghugs impossible to guess scummates on because he's good at setting up his interactions with scum/town
-Best guess as teammates in order are Sabi, darg, damo, Bona. DL has to be town or its already over
-ghug seems too calm, like he knows he is going to die but is okay with it cause he thinks his teammates can win

Almost guaranteed I won't be on at EoD even with extension, still with family.
Ok you need to not be voting for me before you leave for the day. I get that we're all busy, but throwing up your hands and saying "it must be ghug" because the game isn't going well is shitty. You believed darg was scum yesterday. That should still be true today.
My townread on you was almost purely based on feeling. Yesterday's result did not feel good, and so I had to re-examine the game state. I don't think that a damo/darg/Bona team would have landed us where we are at today. So there has to be at least one of Sabi, yourself and DL and you make the most sense.
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#3231 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 pm

damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm
Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:51 pm
damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:35 pm
##vote Squigs

Why did you not switch?
Can you be more specific? Switch what and when?
From bozo to ghug
Because Bozo was my biggest scumread yesterday
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#3232 Post by BesharamSabi » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm

damo666 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 pm
From mpov possible scumteams are:

Bona Sabi ghug
darg Sabi DL
any 3 from {Squigs Sabi DL ghug]

Frequency count:

Bona 1
Sabi 5
ghug 4
darg 1
DL 4
Squigs 3

Doubt Sabi will get enouh votes so ##vote ghug ##end
Can you explain the logic behind this and how I have the highest frequency lol? On one side you said I'm 50/50 between scum and town yet your scum teammates pairing list I am highest frequency.

Why and how?
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#3233 Post by BesharamSabi » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:21 pm

Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:20 am
Squigs44:

Who is on top of your scum read list besides ghug?

Why did you naked vote him and then came back in and re emphasized the naked vote?

If you do end up coming back before EOD who would you change your vote for?
After ghug it's darg/damo, yourself, Bona, DL in that order

I naked voted him because I wanted to see reactions. Both ghugs reaction to try to see if I should stick to that vote, and others reactions to see if I could figure out any possible scummates.

In order for me to change my vote there would have to be another viable wagon since we need town consolidation.

Why do you want to know who I would switch my vote for? Trying to get a wagon to save ghug?
No I am wondering how strong your wagon on ghug is. I do appreciate being in the middle. Why do you scum read damo so high? He agrees with you on ghug and me. Yiu both have somewhat similar reads.

Makes you think huh.

##VOTE squigglescum
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#3234 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:21 pm

DeathLlama8 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 pm
Squigs, what did you learn from the (lack of) reactions to your vote?
I mean scum has hidden pretty well so far, so if ghug is scum then they just continued to hide and I didn't learn much
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#3235 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:25 pm

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:21 pm
Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:20 am
Squigs44:

Who is on top of your scum read list besides ghug?

Why did you naked vote him and then came back in and re emphasized the naked vote?

If you do end up coming back before EOD who would you change your vote for?
After ghug it's darg/damo, yourself, Bona, DL in that order

I naked voted him because I wanted to see reactions. Both ghugs reaction to try to see if I should stick to that vote, and others reactions to see if I could figure out any possible scummates.

In order for me to change my vote there would have to be another viable wagon since we need town consolidation.

Why do you want to know who I would switch my vote for? Trying to get a wagon to save ghug?
No I am wondering how strong your wagon on ghug is. I do appreciate being in the middle. Why do you scum read damo so high? He agrees with you on ghug and me. Yiu both have somewhat similar reads.

Makes you think huh.

##VOTE squigglescum
I mean ghug has been under the most pressure, so damo bussing works in this situation. The hardest thing for me to reconcile is damo and yourself probably aren't scummates based on all of your interactions this game.

If you wanted to know how strong my scumread of ghug is, why not just ask me?
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#3236 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Damo don't vote end
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#3237 Post by dargorygel » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:33 pm

Sorry for the last few days.
It will not get immediately better. Sunday is always my busy work day.
Stuck behind a car accident with poorpoorpoor interwebs yesterday I tried to read some. A couple of things…
First, I now sorta realize and admit that I seem disengaged. I usually play with an unsatisfactory manner for many of you. I don’t make cases, generally… I don’t write enough. But it does seem particularly ‘bad,’ in this game. I am not sure if this is because I did not plan to play, but came in after the crisis because WonderEden asked. Maybe I should have said no… I knew I would be busy, but able to somewhat interact, and hopefully help. It obv hasn’t turned out that way. Making it mildly worse, my travel plans went haywire, and tomorrow is my busy workday. So apologies of sorts for all that.
Second, some questioned why I switched to/from bozo. As best as I can recall, I do simply see ghug as the clearest scum read I have. Bozo had a more viable wagon and I DID vote him, therefore. I realized that was not keeping my own advice… so I changed back to ghug. (This is all readable in my posts.)
From the time I sorta was following the game, and reading because of the Event, I had ghug, bozo, and bo on my scumlean list. This does not mean I was greatly confident. (One of the differences in playstyle that seems to be broadening the gap between most of you and me is that I take the opening words “a GUESSING game of epic proportion” as descriptive. This is not really a deductive logic game, especially in vanilla. It is inductive logic. I read with mistrust those who make absolute statements, and rarely make absolute statements myself.) And I have been wrong on two of my three. I am growing in confidence that ghug is scum, though.
He has, imo, nudged in the direction of misslynch, from behind. The best example, for me anyway, is the way the conversation developed with DL on (I think) N2. Ghug casts doubt on me… DL votes… and then Ghug adds his vote to me. This is the sort of thing that Ghug is a master at.
Here is where I see things going… we will DK ghug, today, I hope. Then tomorrow we will DK either me, or bona, or maybe sabi. It depends on who the NK is obviously.
My read on bona has been all over the place all game. But in the end, it is meta, for me. Bona usually plays with humor but drive. I don’t see the drive. It HAS come at times. I realize that this might be holiday season for bona, too. So I have gone back and forth.
I townlean damo, sabi, and DL.
I scumlean ghug, and scum lean squiggles (mostly the overemphasis on the team stuff. Which I acknowledge is odd because damo also is doing a lot of that. I’m still thinking about that.) I am null on DL. Partially because I don’t know them. He is reasonable, and does not seem to be overstating confidence.
@sabi
Who do I most disagree with? Those who are overstating the team stuff, and voting contrary to their scumreads just because of that. It’s been bozo, squiggles, and damo, iirc.

##end
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#3238 Post by dargorygel » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:35 pm

Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
Damo don't vote end
I ended because selfishly it helps fit MY schedule better. And because ghug is pretty good at wriggling. But actually, I will
##unend
Because yeah... we need stuff to clarify for next day. And, while it hurts me to say it... ghug could also just be molested town. Purposefully kept alive by scum for the purpose of his misskill.
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#3239 Post by damo666 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:42 pm

Squigs44 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
Damo don't vote end
##unend

##vote Squigs
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#3240 Post by Squigs44 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm

I dont like darg voting end after damo already had an end vote
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