M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Damo is one of the people I was scum reading. I honestly can't decide between demo and snowy at this point.



Well it's technically two people:

Snowy = my highest of scum reads, keeps making excuses for inactiveness,tried to ATE us with that long winded post, his strategy in day one makes no sense, has tried to buddy me a lot which is giving me m70 vibes.

Damo = one of my other strong scum reads. I have explained this before but I could be biased in my scum read of him.

G hug = I actually don't want to vote for you but when I was making the post it seemed like a wagon was beginning to form but yea I don't read you as scum.

The snowy wagon's not going anywhere, so I'd suggest parking on damo if those are your choices. What do you think of bona/bozo/celaph?

Why isn't the snowy wagon going anywhere?

Bona has been off but I dunno, too early to say kill him yet in my opinion.

Bozo has been making more of an effort than the other two. Has been engaging more.

Celaph was Mia for more than a day. Need him to engage more or he's a town liability in my opinion.

What are your opinions on those three?

Bozo and Bona have been somewhat active.

Not going anywhere meaning that it has the most votes and is at little risk of dying without you.

I'm happy with any of bona/bozo/celaph as wagons. I think celaph's scumgame is that he can still write those insightful seeming posts, but they take more effort from him, so he does then less. It's possible it's just a weekend thing, but his only contribution today has been retracting his only contribution from last night. Bona just doesn't have the energy I'd expect from him. Bozo's scum meta is to pop in very occasionally and tunnel someone. I'm not really seeing the latter here, but I am seeing the former, and he's started to get caught consistently for that tunnel meta, so I'm guessing he'd be working to change it.

[ghug]

If it weren't Bona, I'd say this is compelling evidence that he's town. As is, who fucking knows?

I both agree with you and hate the way you say this. Makes it feel like you aren't even going to try and sort him.

Just not based on that information, though I admit I'm gonna be pretty hesitant to commit to a read on bona. Some players are blind spots.

[snowy801]

Changed my mind on DeathLlama (no tomatoes please I haven't iso'd anyone pretty much this entire game)

Moving onto bona/Squigs and then maybe I'll look at celaph or bozo or something

[celaph]

Bozo has increased his activity since day 1, but I don't like that he hasn't pushed an actual case yet this game

Reading ahead in Bozo's iso, it seems he pushes a case on Damo shortly after this. Do you think that your post is related to that push?


@bozo, before this I saw you interacting with a lot of people other than Damo before defaulting back to your earlier read (don't particularly blame you as Damo wasn't the most active). Did your read on any of the people you were interacting with earlier change.

[ghug]

Changed my mind on DeathLlama (no tomatoes please I haven't iso'd anyone pretty much this entire game)

Moving onto bona/Squigs and then maybe I'll look at celaph or bozo or something

Why'd you change your mind?

[celaph]

Lurking and apologizing for it is classic scum snowy.

Why'd you +1 this, snowy?

This feels like town ghug observation.

[snowy801]

Lurking and apologizing for it is classic scum snowy.

Why'd you +1 this, snowy?

This feels like town ghug observation.

If town ghug's been doing it for the last 3 games why wouldn't he replicate it as scum?

[celaph]

confirms ghug is town

Why?

All this distancing from damo but you won't vote him.

Just did a brief iso search of ghug for mentions of damo and I'm not sure where you get that ghug is distancing from him. He was with Snowy, DL, and myself in the list ghug was saving D1 and ghug hasn't been critical of him D2.

[Bonatogether]

you know what I don't think I'll have time to write essays anymore until a couple hours from now and I don't want to wait that long to get these out

why ghug is scum

- he had no scum reads most of d1
- says he finally got one on celaph but has he even mentioned it once?
- has no desire to push anyone even slightly and take the game in hand, entirely passive play (yeah he kept talking about bo_sox but when did he actually push that? bona was made by other hands than himself)
- he's completely detached the game, never seen such passive observer mode ghug. Useless ghug? Sure, but he always cared

some things that you should consider moving forward

- nobody scum reads ghug. Have you ever seen that happen? Consider the past games where everyone was up in his grill just because he's allegedly so hard to read
- why is he so okay with the state of this day if he's still trying to figure me out? He's happy about the game state

I'm going to have to reread DL to see why I scum read him so much, started near EoD with him going for bo for sure though

This has legitimate points but it doesn't sit right with me, because ghug is not in 'passive observer' mode like lfischl is in 'passive observer' mode. Ghug is still a moving part in this game, and even if ghug is not as fired up as he is usually (which I tend to agree with), he's still doing things

lfischl isn't a passive observer he just doesn't play

And while I disagree with the claim that ghug is a moving piece even if that were true, the fact that he doesn't in the slighest where or how those pieces are moving are revealing

I think we differ on the meaning of passive observer

I think this is a misrepresentation of the situation but I don't want to argue with you over this

[snowy801]

Changed my mind on DeathLlama (no tomatoes please I haven't iso'd anyone pretty much this entire game)

Moving onto bona/Squigs and then maybe I'll look at celaph or bozo or something

Why'd you change your mind?

Well for *hand waives* I had DL marked as potential scum early on and noted as much around the halfway mark but over time that sort of faded away for *nebulous reasons* and I kind of put it away until the way EoD1 unfolded where I was trying to get a you(ghug)/bona wagon going and he neatly sidestepped that by saying "well you also scum read bo_sox, here's a vote to get you to move your own" [side note Jamiet clearly other people could tell that I scum read bo, this really is a you problem, as are all things related to you]

And then he just sort of faded away in D2 without really trying to rally and while he claimed excuses, which is you know glass houses, I figured he was most likely to be scum of the people on the field.

But then I just read his ISO for the first time and saw that everything he said and did was straightforward and genuine and that I really need to spend more time reading

[Bonatogether]

Bona has been trending upwards for me with recent posts

What about?

His interactions and thoughts of bozo and ghug. But generally he's being more active and less reactive

oh that's a townread

i'm surprised

[snowy801]

Oh kind of got distracted by the Jamiet comment

The other thing that made me scum read him was the way he built the bo wagon, hopped back to the bona wagon, and still tiebroke on bo's side which seemed very opportunistic of him

[celaph]

Why?

All this distancing from damo but you won't vote him.

He townreads me for questionable reasons and you call it distancing?

I'd like today to be between three of snowy/you/Jamie/bona/damo/celaph, and I'm content focusing on whichever of those are getting less attention for the time being.

What do you make of Jamie? Do you associate his focus today with a towny who feels they've caught scum or scum trying to push for a miskill? Of those two choices, I favor the latter.

[Bonatogether]

Why'd you +1 this, snowy?

This feels like town ghug observation.

If town ghug's been doing it for the last 3 games why wouldn't he replicate it as scum?

People don't often notice their town tics like that

[ghug]

All this distancing from damo but you won't vote him.

He townreads me for questionable reasons and you call it distancing?

I'd like today to be between three of snowy/you/Jamie/bona/damo/celaph, and I'm content focusing on whichever of those are getting less attention for the time being.

What do you make of Jamie? Do you associate his focus today with a towny who feels they've caught scum or scum trying to push for a miskill? Of those two choices, I favor the latter.

I'm withholding judgement on Jamie for a bit. Ask me in an hour.

[celaph]

Does this mean you were confident snowy was town, or do you think he could have been doing what he claimed to be doing as mafia?

As someone who picked up the Snowy defense and decided to get off of him D1 because of it, I see it very much like a SQUAKing Vecna. You can allow a bad D1 because you want the player later. The immediate difference I see is that I don't recall SQUAKing Vecna being so involved in setting up wagons (and the one time that I can think of off the top of my head was scum Vecna).

[snowy801]

This feels like town ghug observation.

If town ghug's been doing it for the last 3 games why wouldn't he replicate it as scum?

People don't often notice their town tics like that

He explicitly self noted it at least twice that I can recall. That's why I'm noting it myself, because I remember (once was about Vecna, the other about me)

Don't make me look it up I'm pressed for time as it is

[ghug]

This feels like town ghug observation.

If town ghug's been doing it for the last 3 games why wouldn't he replicate it as scum?

People don't often notice their town tics like that

I do spend a lot of time thinking about the +1s I'm getting...

[celaph]

I am suggesting that you and Squigs could be scum and have planned to target DeathLlama, BesharamSabi, and dargorygel for pocketing for the late game. You are shooting in the same barrel for the DK, and you could NK the players you can't get DKed.

Do you make anything of the fact that (except for Dargorygel), I've been town harping on all of the names you mentioned?

[celaph]

##VOTE Squigs

Beside the foodcoats NK, having the same POE (containing what I suspect to be primarily town) as ghug is suspicious.

Wait. You see ghug and Squigs having similar POE lists with ghug's coming 90 minutes AFTER Squig's and you see Squigs as the suspicious one in that exchange? This argument makes no sense.