M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

zoomer vote count

snowy - 3 - squigs, jamie, damo
bona - 1 - dargo
llama - 1 - bona
bozo - 1 - ghug
damo - 1 - llama
squigs - 1 - bozo

nonvoters - 3 - sabi, celaph, snowy

snowy dies in 16h36m

nonvoters have 16h36m to change that, chop chop

[snowy801]

Not voting early's going to fuck me isn't it

Sigh

[Bonatogether]

zoomer vote count

snowy - 3 - squigs, jamie, damo
bona - 1 - dargo
llama - 1 - bona
bozo - 1 - ghug
damo - 1 - llama
squigs - 1 - bozo

nonvoters - 3 - sabi, celaph, snowy

snowy dies in 16h36m

nonvoters have 16h36m to change that, chop chop

[Bonatogether]

Not voting early's going to fuck me isn't it

Sigh

vote dl

[snowy801]

Not voting early's going to fuck me isn't it

Sigh

vote dl

Why doesn't anyone scum read ghug

You know that's a bad sign right, everyone scum reads ghug when he's town

##vote DeathLlama

[Bonatogether]

Not voting early's going to fuck me isn't it

Sigh

vote dl

Why doesn't anyone scum read ghug

You know that's a bad sign right, everyone scum reads ghug when he's town

##vote DeathLlama

i can't read ghug

[snowy801]

rip

[ghug]

Why do you care?

(1 more hour and I'm done)

Cause you had a lot of angst about your +1 patterns in your last scum game, and you spent some time there +1ing posts that had it right. Answer the question.

I +1 people scum reading me on instinct

I mean ok I guess? Did you do that last game?

[snowy801]

Cause you had a lot of angst about your +1 patterns in your last scum game, and you spent some time there +1ing posts that had it right. Answer the question.

I +1 people scum reading me on instinct

I mean ok I guess? Did you do that last game?

I'm sure I did, if you want to bother checking

And every game prior that allowed +1's

It all started with trolling brainbomb

[ghug]

Not voting early's going to fuck me isn't it

Sigh

vote dl

Why doesn't anyone scum read ghug

You know that's a bad sign right, everyone scum reads ghug when he's town

##vote DeathLlama

You scumreading me is 40% of the reason I don't want to kill you.

[BesharamSabi]

Kinda brain dead from diplomacy so I will catch up tomorrow morning.

I do hate the zoomer voter count, as a millennial how dare you Eden.

What did I miss today?

Also how dare G hug and snowy beat me in post count.

Also need to think about who to vote for ugh.

Someone love me and decide for me which of my scum reads is a better day kill for me because empty head no thoughts.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Squigs

Beside the foodcoats NK, having the same POE (containing what I suspect to be primarily town) as ghug is suspicious.

I take this to mean you think we're both scum, then?

That is my theory.

[snowy801]

What's the other 60%?

[bozotheclown]

I think this is scum bozo that has learned that we've got his meta. It's a smart observation (perhaps one that only bozo would pick up on) but the case does not demonstrate that the occurrence is more likely explained by scum!ghug or why scum!ghug would do that

I do not think ghug would deliberately make a similar post as Squigs if they are both mafia, but it could be the inadvertent result of plans they made N1.

Look at the players they scum read: you, me, snowy, damo, and celaph (ghug threw in Jamie as well). You ended D1 voting for snowy, I ended D1 voting for celaph, celaph was voting for you until switching to bo_sox in the last minute, damo ended D1 voting for you, snowy voted for you and damo during D1 (among others), and Jamie ended D1 voting for snowy. It would not be unreasonable for them to think they could keep the votes within this group and protect themselves. Also, they are both ignoring the bussing that would be required for all the mafia to come from this group.

You can look at this another way. You, me, snowy, celaph, and Squigs were all lead wagons or tied for lead wagon at some point in the last 10 hours of D1, so the scum suspects ghug and Squigs independently came up with were primarily those that had the most suspicion on them coming into D2 (excluding Squigs).

[bozotheclown]

Kinda brain dead from diplomacy so I will catch up tomorrow morning.

I do hate the zoomer voter count, as a millennial how dare you Eden.

What did I miss today?

Also how dare G hug and snowy beat me in post count.

Also need to think about who to vote for ugh.

Someone love me and decide for me which of my scum reads is a better day kill for me because empty head no thoughts.

I suggest Squigs.

[snowy801]

Ok before we get into the lecturing business (since that will invariably turn into a explanation of the game state which will take forever) let's talk about me eh

I am placed in a frankly unprecedented position where I feel the need to actually defend myself (normally I don't get miskilled and even on the off chance I do I feel like I'd just call you all bad and move on but accepting that I have taken certain liberties yada yada - I do find it laughable that Jamiet has the temerity to claim that he thinks my play is deserving of death even if I am town because I haven't not done anything, you just don't like what I was doing

So here I am. Last game I was especially frustrated by my inevitably early death because I was thinking to myself that I was sufficiently playing scummy that I should have another day for myself (I was having a fairly lucky streak of games and was foolishly optimistic) that I would up really investing myself into the game only to find "you died gg" in a little red (1)

---

Enough background, let's talk about scum reads on me

So on part, understandable, because acting scummy -> this guy is scum is the intended message I intended to get across, but like come on guys

As ever, the the significance of an action is not what it resembles on the surface but the underlying state of mind from which the action is made. Consider - Snowy stand accused (perhaps rightly) of the following things

- refusing to answer questions
- kinda lurky I guess (also fuck you to everyone who called me useless I was going out of my way to be useless and I still managed to do more than any of you)
- not justifying reads

But like, and I would have hoped that this is obvious, if I really am scum why would I go out of my way to do this? Just to be able to say "too scummy to be scum?" Not a brilliant strategy is it. And if my goal was to be elusive about my reads to allow ambiguity to disconnect me from blame on my alleged miskill pushes, why wouldn't I go ahead and actually disconnect from my reads instead of just refusing to talk about it?

Is it too much to expect even the slightest two step thought process regarding how you go about scum reads? I mean apparently, but I don't really believe that this is beyond your capacity, you just need a guiding hand. If I wanted to lurk I would've actually done so instead of hanging around being obnoxious all day. In my own way that was my inciting actionable behavior under the constraints I was putting myself until the end of the day that I saw to be an unconscionably lazy and pathetic effort rise to the top.

If you cannot model an underlying motive for me to act this way and just think that everything I know about what behavior people find scummy flew straight out of my head and I was just being the most transparent scum on the planet then I will not accept blame for unnecessarily muddying the playing field

I'm actually dying so I'm going to cut things here - good stopping point, but preview for tomorrow

--- a little bit further on motivations
--- what I was doing EoD1, and some catch up q&a
--- my town and scum reads and why I think that
[town reads: worgorygel, Sabi, damo, Jamiet, bozo]
[scum reads: ghug, DeathLlama, and I'm eyeing bona, celaph, Squigs]
--- and finally I'm going to get this game moving because nobody's even playing anymore

Good night

[snowy801]

Hi bozo, sort of missed you there

I'm going to start appealing to any past goodwill I built up soon because I think we absolutely have to vote out ghug today

I've always been scum read and been cleared for being right anyway, I rather expect things will be no different this time

[snowy801]

Also if I could get your opinion on damo and celaph at some point it'd be much appreciated

[snowy801]

Squigs you got like 3 minutes before I bail to actually say something

Who do you think you are, TFB?

[snowy801]

My one regret is that I genuinely planned on doing all this this morning and it is extremely unfortunate that so many unexpected potholes absolutely obliterated my schedule today

Also side note ghug's so full of shit saying apologetic lurker snowy is scum because a) entirely false and b) I'm not even lurking

He clearly just wants to wipe his nose without his hands