I'm torn on this. I've felt this meta was inaccurate since it first propped up, but there's no reason for you to think that necessarily, so my first instinct was to like the thought, but it also occurs to me that a piece of meta you've pointed out in the past is easy to fall back on, and my day as a whole doesn't really paint a picture of apathy, which I'd expect you to be looking into further if you were going to make this argument.celaph wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:45 pmDefinitely.
ghug's apathy feels really scummy. Be really careful with this one.
I called ghug out in M67 for the way you were so willing to vote Chaqa off without any indication that you thought he was actually scum and purely because of a voiced distaste of his playing style. Feel free to read my original post:The short version is that ghug's behavior is not only based on his dislike for his other players. In the above post, I highlighted how over a series of 8 games with both Chaqa and ghug, scum ghug always voted for Chaqa D1 while town ghug never voted for Chaqa D1. Another example would be comparing his attitude towards ND (another player ghug dislikes) between M62 and M63. Granted, ND's lack of participation in M63 weakens this comparison some, but town ghug in M62 demonstrated a belief that the person he was voting for was scum. Scum ghug in M63 did not. Now look at this game, ghug demonstrated no belief that he was killing scum. That's scum ghug.
My opinion of Snowy is still trending towards scum.
I spoke about this earlier in the night, but I was unimpressed with how Snowy in such an active EoD did virtually squat in the last 15 minutes. That suggests that he was equally content with either wagon dying which feels scummy.
I will add that I have sense read DL's EoD Notes and liked his comment on how Snowy townread his cws D1. That is a good point which I had not yet considered though I still have Snowy on the scummy end of things.Don't just kill Bozo because he is inactive.DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:02 pmsnowy townreading basically all his competing wagons and pushing for a new one is positive signal (unless it's specifically snowy/bona, which seems less likely given bona's EOD), although I'm not sure he genuinely felt threatened by the daykill which weakens this a little
I spoke about this in a comment on Sabi's post, but I think that there are a lot of scumreads going in Bozo's direction because of his inactivity without making great cases that he has been especially scummy. I'm fine with having him be null/someone who needs to be pressured. But I worry that town will default kill the inactive player because they can't argue for themselves and end up killing one of their own.
Still liking Squigs.
I think that there is certainly an argument that Bo was making that Squig's approach to my wagon was suspicious, but I don't rate the chance highly and either way I don't think that he makes a great kill today. I expressed the things I've liked about his play D1 and I also felt that he was looking good in his argument towards the end of the night with food.
I wouldn't personally push food that much as you plan to kill him as mafia, but then again I'm not good at maf so perhaps someone else should discuss whether Squigs looks good or back post food flip.
Anyone who kills Sabi is stupid.
Sabi is still my strongest townread. My opinion on that matter hasn't really changed much over night though I just wanted to express it again given how surprised I was to see her name being thrown around at EoD1.
DL/Jamie probably town.
This is most naturally split into two parts:
DL I rank as more town than Jamie. I think he has been both expressive of his opinions and has justified them well throughout the game. I feel like on the whole he has had good and unique takes. As I noted above, I hadn't read his eon post when I made mine, but his comments have made me feel even better about my read here.
Nothing about Jamie has felt off so far. I feel like he is unhappy with the game state currently and has been working to change that. I've liked a number of his takes so far (see his comment to Bona on Squigs crosspost, read on Snowy). General vibes feel right atm.
As for the meta itself, I think the ND game is actually a point against it, and that was the game when I started being conscious about voting out bad players early rather than anyone I wanted. You can also look at M1019 (lfischl), M70 kind of (I pushed Chaqa as an actual scumread but ended on worcej), M1018 (worcej), just for a few more examples. The games where I do develop scumreads day 1 and get them killed don't tend to work out well, which is why I didn't push you yesterday, for example. I also hold stronger antipathy towards bo than most people, because he's the worst.
