M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Celaph if you don't plan on scumreading anyone day 1, how do you decide who to vote? The person you townread the least?

Sweet Squigs squiggles, why are you questioning him on this so much more than me?

[ghug]

i don't like sqoogs (1)

historically this means i scumread people (2)

rn i kinda scum sqoogs (3)

not sure if 2 is causing 3 or if there's something legit there

What does 2 mean?

Historically, he's scumread people he dislikes.

[BesharamSabi]

I think today was a productive day. Found out a good amount and was able to get some reads on people. Still need to sleep and think over some posts that have bothered me. But yea I rate today an A- for myself.

Flaws today has been I don't have clear cut top scum read on an individual yet. Need to think some stuff over.

Wish bozo had more posts that weren't so vague.

Need damo to also do the same.

Happy bo and celaph are posting.

Anyway I should sleep.

Leave me questions or what not.

Good night! Please yell at me if you see me posting. I need to sleep. Love yall xoxo

[celaph]

Why are you giving me shit for not casting meaningful votes if you haven't cast one yourself?

Because I'm engaging and trying to figure out who is scummy and you're too busy trying to bait Jamiet with joke votes. There's a difference. I know how yall take vca and I want to make sure after the first 24 hour joke vote fest that my vote is serious and solid. Sorry if that makes me a hypocrite.

I think ghug is scum so consider that before you get all offended

##vote Squigs

Why do you think ghug is scum and if they are scum why are you not voting them?

[Squigs44]

I don't tend to have great confidence in my D1 ability to read players as scummy especially among all the shitposting/inactive players. I instead try to focus my efforts on stopping wagons on people that I want to keep around and challenging wagons to make people explain themselves.

This is the ideal playstyle to hide behind as scum. Unfortunately it's a plausible town mindset too

I don't agree with this at all. It's much easier as scum to tunnel and focus on scumreads than it is to build an ever-growing pool of townreads and vote outside of them.

As mafia I find it incredibly easy to townread people who I know are town and much more difficult to fabricate a scumread on someone I know is town. I'm also bad as scum

[Squigs44]

Celaph if you don't plan on scumreading anyone day 1, how do you decide who to vote? The person you townread the least?

Sweet Squigs squiggles, why are you questioning him on this so much more than me?

You've already voted 7(?) times. I can just look at those to see who and why you are voting. Also I did ask you a related question about why you were thankful you didn't have any scumreads which you answered.

Plus I know you aren't gonna give me a straightforward answer to anything day 1 so I'll just wait for you to solve the game day 2 or 3 or whenever it is

[celaph]

Useless town candidate: Snowy. I think snowy is probably more likely town based on the abstract play, but it's so enigmatic and elusive that it's not good for town

Can you say more about why you see Snowy as town? The best argument I have is that I wouldn't suspect scum players to be so willing to not explain themselves. Is that what you mean by 'abstract'?

Beyond that he strikes me as active, but not productive.

[Squigs44]

Okay so I also went and reread (skimmed) Celaphs last game (well day 1), when they were a town cop. Celaph does townread people and defend people day 1, but they also place several votes and develop scumreads. Their tone is also different, that Celaph shared a lot more original insights rather than this Celaph who either says "I agree" or asks "Why do you think this?". Most notably Celaphs post count and average length of posts is much lower this game.

I'm gonna stick to my Celaph vote since I don't see any wagon that compels me more at the moment

[celaph]

Anyone wanna hammer bo right now?

Why Bo? His catch-up feels towny to me.

[BesharamSabi]

Okay so I also went and reread (skimmed) Celaphs last game (well day 1), when they were a town cop. Celaph does townread people and defend people day 1, but they also place several votes and develop scumreads. Their tone is also different, that Celaph shared a lot more original insights rather than this Celaph who either says "I agree" or asks "Why do you think this?". Most notably Celaphs post count and average length of posts is much lower this game.

I'm gonna stick to my Celaph vote since I don't see any wagon that compels me more at the moment

I can't think of an explanation for the rest of the post but it is the end of a semester and they said they were in school so I am going to go out in a limb and say that the end of semester with finals and what not is the cause for low post count.

I do realize I have been defending celaph a lot lately but they aren't in my scum read bucket right now.

Anyway yea yea yea I will go to bed. I wanted to check the thread before I pass out.

[Squigs44]

Useless town candidate: Snowy. I think snowy is probably more likely town based on the abstract play, but it's so enigmatic and elusive that it's not good for town

Can you say more about why you see Snowy as town? The best argument I have is that I wouldn't suspect scum players to be so willing to not explain themselves. Is that what you mean by 'abstract'?

Beyond that he strikes me as active, but not productive.

Snowy is deflecting with questions, but those questions seem to generate more info rather than detract or stop the conversation. I think there are better ways of playing, but I think scum would be more disruptive and distracting if they're going to deflect with questions.

[ghug]

Celaph if you don't plan on scumreading anyone day 1, how do you decide who to vote? The person you townread the least?

Sweet Squigs squiggles, why are you questioning him on this so much more than me?

You've already voted 7(?) times. I can just look at those to see who and why you are voting. Also I did ask you a related question about why you were thankful you didn't have any scumreads which you answered.

Plus I know you aren't gonna give me a straightforward answer to anything day 1 so I'll just wait for you to solve the game day 2 or 3 or whenever it is

Why don't you think I'll give you a straightforward answer?

[Squigs44]

Anyone wanna hammer bo right now?

Why Bo? His catch-up feels towny to me.

Weird. Bo just seems drunk to me. What gives you town vibes?

[ghug]

Anyone wanna hammer bo right now?

Why Bo? His catch-up feels towny to me.

It would be funny, and he's a detriment to the town regardless of alignment.

I don't buy that he's been meaningfully townie yet.

[ghug]

Anyone wanna hammer bo right now?

Why Bo? His catch-up feels towny to me.

Weird. Bo just seems drunk to me. What gives you town vibes?

If I had to guess: not knowing bo.

[Squigs44]

Sweet Squigs squiggles, why are you questioning him on this so much more than me?

You've already voted 7(?) times. I can just look at those to see who and why you are voting. Also I did ask you a related question about why you were thankful you didn't have any scumreads which you answered.

Plus I know you aren't gonna give me a straightforward answer to anything day 1 so I'll just wait for you to solve the game day 2 or 3 or whenever it is

Why don't you think I'll give you a straightforward answer?

Because historically you havent always. This game you most notably pulled it on Sabi with the whole hypothetical mafia kill thing.

[celaph]

Hi celaph,

How was school? I'm glad you are back to posting. I have a few questions for you since I want to gauge your thought process.

What reads have you agreed with so far and why?

Who do you think is the weakest player so far and why?

What are your thoughts about lurkers and low effort posters jn the game? Are they pro or anti town?

Why are you the last to cast your first vote?

Anyway hope the rest of your night goes well. I will be waiting for these answers.

Thank you : )

I agree that you're the towniest given the way that your effort has come off and the way you've asked approached asking questions. It feels genuine, someone who wants to do well, though isn't necessarily aware of the best way to do that.

In terms of weakest play I have to say bozo for the sheer lack of content and explanations. I also haven't really been a fan of Snowy as I commented to Squigs.

Lurkers are obviously anti-town. They also don't tend to make great D1 kills because of how little info they give. Though I also don't feel like there are as many lurkers as I've seen in previous games so I am not particularly worried about it.

A combination of greater focus on townreads and that I don't tend to joke vote people.

[ghug]

You've already voted 7(?) times. I can just look at those to see who and why you are voting. Also I did ask you a related question about why you were thankful you didn't have any scumreads which you answered.

Plus I know you aren't gonna give me a straightforward answer to anything day 1 so I'll just wait for you to solve the game day 2 or 3 or whenever it is

Why don't you think I'll give you a straightforward answer?

Because historically you havent always. This game you most notably pulled it on Sabi with the whole hypothetical mafia kill thing.

Explain to me your view of that interaction.

[celaph]

##VOTE celaph

Looking at your iso you later given the quote below with regards to the justification for your original list. Has your perception of me (or anyone on your list for that matter) changed since you made the list? If so, why are you voting for me? And if not, why did you qualify your later post by saying that "at the time I posted".

At the time I posted that, their posts seemed the most likely to be motivated by wanting to look active.

What's the point of the post? It's like one big leading question begging bozo to change his mind and unvote

It's more one big post begging him to explain his reasoning behind his vote. I can live with being voted for, it's more annoying when I don't know why.

For example, you've given your reasons as to why you think that I am scummy and while I know that you are wrong, I can also look at your comments on my play and note that there is some truth to them which is part of the reason I'm buddyi... errr townreading you.

[Squigs44]

Why don't you think I'll give you a straightforward answer?

Because historically you havent always. This game you most notably pulled it on Sabi with the whole hypothetical mafia kill thing.

Explain to me your view of that interaction.

Sabi asked you a question. You answered part of it, but Sabi wasn't satisfied with it and followed up. You thought the answer was obvious so you turned the question back to Sabi instead of answering. It wasn't obvious to Sabi so they struggled. After 4 or 5 posts you finally gave an answer.