M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

I'm probably going to have to reread you tomorrow if we get today wrong so if you're scum please kill me tonight so I can blame everyone else for our loss

on god what am i gonna do without you if the game doesn't end LOL

god part of me is like this buddying is so blatant there is no way Durga could be scum...the other part of me is like but what if

Eh, either way I like the idea of sticking to my main three targets unless something really blatant drops.

are you jealous it isn't you that i'm buddying

[Durga]

want to note that sabi hammered kaka within one minute before it would give scum a super long night - you can say its NAI but jamie didn't hammer and I don't know why scum!sabi would hammer instead of just "not seeing the time" to give them a longer night

[Durga]

want to note that sabi hammered kaka within one minute before it would give scum a super long night - you can say its NAI but jamie didn't hammer and I don't know why scum!sabi would hammer instead of just "not seeing the time" to give them a longer night

especially since scum!sabi would be new and would probably be looking to jamie for guidance on how to act in that situation?

[DeathLlama8]

want to note that sabi hammered kaka within one minute before it would give scum a super long night - you can say its NAI but jamie didn't hammer and I don't know why scum!sabi would hammer instead of just "not seeing the time" to give them a longer night

especially since scum!sabi would be new and would probably be looking to jamie for guidance on how to act in that situation?

jamiet was afk for most of post-damo claim day 2 if I remember correctly? the rest of it is a good catch but idk how useful a super long night is for scum at that point

[Durga]

if it helps, vote count immediately before the claim (assuming damo town):
Kakarroto (5): Vecna, ghug, Doom427, DeathLlama8, snowy801
lfischl (3): TheFlyingBoat, damo666, Durga
snowy801 (2): rdrivera2005, Jamiet99uk
damo666 (1): Kakarroto

and vote count at EOD:
lfischl (5): TheFlyingBoat, damo666, Durga, DeathLlama8, ghug
damo666 (3): Kakarroto, snowy801, Doom427
snowy801 (2): rdrivera2005, Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto (1): Vecna

updating this

[Durga]

want to note that sabi hammered kaka within one minute before it would give scum a super long night - you can say its NAI but jamie didn't hammer and I don't know why scum!sabi would hammer instead of just "not seeing the time" to give them a longer night

especially since scum!sabi would be new and would probably be looking to jamie for guidance on how to act in that situation?

jamiet was afk for most of post-damo claim day 2 if I remember correctly? the rest of it is a good catch but idk how useful a super long night is for scum at that point

but i don't know if scum!sabi wouldn't have just ignored it until after yknow

[DeathLlama8]

maybe I'm just in Tunnel Mode rn but it doesn't move the needle for me that much tbh

[Durga]

maybe I'm just in Tunnel Mode rn but it doesn't move the needle for me that much tbh

well you should reread d1 and see if anyone tried to get the pressure on ifischl over uber i guess

i genuinely do not think we should be killing sabi today

[DeathLlama8]

basically everyone tried to get the pressure on lfischl over uber (besides jamiet and maybe you? iirc), that's why he died

[Durga]

I am curious as to why you think ghug and bunny are town. Doom I think I can guess, although I'm not entirely convinced yet.

ghug from tone and content and he said I'm nice.

Bunny for his entry and Vecna voting Kak.

I must say though that none of these reads are particularly strong.

Btw you are edging townwards.

Maybe it is as simple as rdr and Jamie.

Why do you think I am scum with Jamiet?

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Durga]

basically everyone tried to get the pressure on lfischl over uber (besides jamiet and maybe you? iirc), that's why he died

well jamie could be the key to that analysis

[Durga]

okay rdr is genuinely voting for me like how can he be town

[DeathLlama8]

okay rdr is genuinely voting for me like how can he be town

why is that bad?

[BunnyGo]

Sorry for dropping off. Been driving 8 hours straight so far. 5 or so to go. Will have time tonight to catch up. I’ll search for @Bunny when I get back first before reading of you want my attention.

Just did a bot search for *@Bunny* and this is the only thing that came up. Will start reading now.

[Durga]

okay rdr is genuinely voting for me like how can he be town

why is that bad?

How am I at all scummy? How am I his top choice of scum rn? Like is he hell bent on killing this thread or what?

[TheFlyingBoat]

someone lmk if i'm tunnelling or respond to this if you think it's wrong but
1. sabi was jamiet's second highest scumread for all of d3, and jamiet voted #1 (doom) and #3 (bunny) for the entire day without really pressuring or interacting with sabi at all
2. sabi brought up unprompted that they townread jamiet and didn't understand where his wagon was coming from (although they said today that they townread everyone), made one post about how bunny's evidence on jamiet seemed solid, then voted for jamiet at eod because he was the biggest wagon and they had to vote someone
3. otherwise, sabi didn't really give opinions on kakarroto and jamiet for the entire game, explicitly avoiding commenting on kakarroto's claim directly while casting shade on both damo and kakarroto
4. sabi has been openly speculating on PRs in the thread, which I guess is NAI but is also objectively bad
5. sabi posted a giant case on doom, then didn't really push her at all, and otherwise hasn't really been scumhunting recently
6. I don't really have a reason to townread sabi other than vibes given by individual posts (which I'm not particularly good at interpreting) or believe miskilling sabi before milo would be particularly bad for town

1. sabi was jamiet's second highest scumread for all of d3, and jamiet voted #1 (doom) and #3 (bunny) for the entire day without really pressuring or interacting with sabi at all

> An actually interesting catch, I'll reread their interactions later today, but this could actually be suggestive of something, since I could see Jamie trying to create distance between the two without actually bussing them.

2. sabi brought up unprompted that they townread jamiet and didn't understand where his wagon was coming from (although they said today that they townread everyone), made one post about how bunny's evidence on jamiet seemed solid, then voted for jamiet at eod because he was the biggest wagon and they had to vote someone

>This just strikes me as classic Sabi. As mentioned Sabi, whether town or scum, just seems incredibly scum when put under any pressure as they get incredibly defensive and passive-aggressive. NAI imo for them.

3. otherwise, sabi didn't really give opinions on kakarroto and jamiet for the entire game, explicitly avoiding commenting on kakarroto's claim directly while casting shade on both damo and kakarroto

>Once again, classic Sabi. I saw them do similar things last game. They seem to not want to resolve power claim disputes in their analysis, viewing them all with blanket suspicion while simultaneously hunting for them and trying to out them. It is odd but I would probably also NAI for Sabi.

4. sabi has been openly speculating on PRs in the thread, which I guess is NAI but is also objectively bad

> Agreed and see above.

5. sabi posted a giant case on doom, then didn't really push her at all, and otherwise hasn't really been scumhunting recently

Unfortunately, I feel like am going to be repeating myself a lot. Sabi will have cases on people and not push them at all. Probably NAI for them.

6. I don't really have a reason to townread sabi other than vibes given by individual posts (which I'm not particularly good at interpreting) or believe miskilling sabi before milo would be particularly bad for town

> Agreed. Every now and then I read their posts and think "oh this probably wouldn't be said if they were coached by mafia properly" or "that seems like a bit of a township since it should be fairly obvious, especially for scum" but I just don't know if I can really count on that. Combine that with behavior I said I would scum read if it was literally anyone else and I find myself in a difficult conundrum when it comes to how to handle them.

That being said I do disagree with your last point. I don't think mis-killing Sabi before milo would be that bad beyond the fact that we wasted a shot. But given that they are in my target list, Durga's target list, in your sightlines, and presumably that of others, I think they are a reasonable target with decent chance of success, albeit less than rdr or Bunny, and I think are someone I would prefer to not have for milo for the exact reasons Snowy wanted them there for his planned 1vAll final stand.

[DeathLlama8]

Sorry for dropping off. Been driving 8 hours straight so far. 5 or so to go. Will have time tonight to catch up. I’ll search for @Bunny when I get back first before reading of you want my attention.

Just did a bot search for *@Bunny* and this is the only thing that came up. Will start reading now.

wb! hope you enjoyed the road trip

[DeathLlama8]

That being said I do disagree with your last point. I don't think mis-killing Sabi before milo would be that bad beyond the fact that we wasted a shot. But given that they are in my target list, Durga's target list, in your sightlines, and presumably that of others, I think they are a reasonable target with decent chance of success, albeit less than rdr or Bunny, and I think are someone I would prefer to not have for milo for the exact reasons Snowy wanted them there for his planned 1vAll final stand.

yeah I agree with this tbc. will reread the rest

[DeathLlama8]

> An actually interesting catch, I'll reread their interactions later today, but this could actually be suggestive of something, since I could see Jamie trying to create distance between the two without actually bussing them.

Nice ty, appreciate the effort

This just strikes me as classic Sabi. As mentioned Sabi, whether town or scum, just seems incredibly scum when put under any pressure as they get incredibly defensive and passive-aggressive. NAI imo for them.

I don't think this is what I was saying there? They evolved a read on Jamiet pretty suddenly to justify placing that vote

Agreed. ...Combine that with behavior I said I would scum read if it was literally anyone else and I find myself in a difficult conundrum when it comes to how to handle them.

Yeah this is where I'm at with a lot of their activity right now (maybe including the other things you thought were NAI). It's hard to separate what feels scummy from what the meta is, especially since I've never played with them before. I think what limited interaction information we have from them seals it for me, since I'm struggling to read a lot of the behavior (but at the very least don't townread it). Curious to see what your impressions of the sabi-jamiet interactions are after reread

[BunnyGo]

Scum would want me alive at milo because I am a liability and not helping town lol.

No that part I get. My question is why does rdr think scum!Sabi couldn't come up with that logic?

I think scum Sabi will not defend someone who was pushing them (this time I remembered) that way. They could just let me be DKed set Bunny or Durga to be just and keep playing the "lost newbie " card to the end. Why would they stick their neck for me if they aren't town?

This is a good point. I think this read is spot on.