M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

TLDR:
- I thought lfischl was Oracle
- I believe TFB
- This only proves the Cop is still alive
- I accept it's logical not to kill Chaqa now
- I don't care, I think he's mafia, explained below
- I'm not budging but y'all can kill someone else, it's cool

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Can someone explain why everyone and their mothers thought lfischl was the JOAT

It is kinda weird the inno'd a clear and gravedug damo

Well, I thought he was the Oracle, actually, based on a couple of posts on day 1 that took specific interest in how the role worked. He obviously isn't.

I don't think he's the Cop, either, because I suspect lfischl would have been way more involved and excited for the game than he seemed to be, especially given that he could cc someone. I don't think he would have kept it quiet and died with it.

So unless Boat is mafia, which I don't believe, the real Cop - whoever it is - is still alive.

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I recognize that it's likely strategically correct to wait for a Cop cc. If y'all want to do that, that's fine. I trust the real Cop to play this their way and make us proud. They don't specifically need to claim EON4 or on any given point. Selfishly, I would appreciate that they go for it sooner rather than later, but I don't have the info to know whether that's right or wrong, so do what's best.

I completely agree with kgray. There is no way you're convincing me that, after we killed bozo yesterday, mafia is doing anything but roleblocking the outed Doc and killing the outed Cop, especially after losing a WIFOM battle the previous night and giving us an extra misfire - just to go hunting PRs among the lurkers. No fucking way. That's not even arrogant, that's just reckless.

damo being VT does not confirm Chaqa to be the Cop. It only confirms damo is not the Cop. It does make it entirely reasonable to wait to kill him.

That said, in addition to my EON post, and to kgray's point, Chaqa's deeming kgray's theory a "scumslip" is, in my mind, pretty close to a scumslip itself. kgray's theory was not only internally consistent even without actual knowledge of the RB, but made perfect sense as a retort to the RB claim. I would have been suspicious of worcej for trying to argue it as a scumslip except that he's confirmed Doc. At least worcej plausibly could have missed the RB claim. But Chaqa literally just posted that he was RBed. kgray's post is a completely natural reaction to it. Even if she herself didn't actually see it, if you had just claimed RB, it would not make any sense to think that someone calling BS on the night's events was "scumslipping" by implying they knew what you just said. It's an unnatural reaction that to me fits far more with mafia trying to run with worcej making a logical error. worcej has the excuse of not literally being the person who gave the info. Chaqa does not.

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Chaqa delenda est

Fuck you again

Vote me out or shut the fuck up

You keep moving the goalposts to justify your shitty ego read on me

Fuck off

[Vecna]

Anyway I might town read kgray now

I mean, if it wasnt for me getting punked badly by her in the not-too-distant past, id be pretty vocal about my opinion there.

The curse of competence is real. Doesnt help that im still not 100% sure, but I dont see any of the scum motivation that people seem to be seeing.

[Chaqa]

Also I apologize if a couple of my posts came off heated, I was driving while I posted my start of day reacts and did not leave my customary emojis

Chaqa you're my bruv but you're mafia this game I'm sure of it

I’m not your fucking bruv

[snowy801]

TLDR:
- I thought lfischl was Oracle
- I believe TFB
- This only proves the Cop is still alive
- I accept it's logical not to kill Chaqa now
- I don't care, I think he's mafia, explained below
- I'm not budging but y'all can kill someone else, it's cool

---

Can someone explain why everyone and their mothers thought lfischl was the JOAT

It is kinda weird the inno'd a clear and gravedug damo

Well, I thought he was the Oracle, actually, based on a couple of posts on day 1 that took specific interest in how the role worked. He obviously isn't.

I don't think he's the Cop, either, because I suspect lfischl would have been way more involved and excited for the game than he seemed to be, especially given that he could cc someone. I don't think he would have kept it quiet and died with it.

So unless Boat is mafia, which I don't believe, the real Cop - whoever it is - is still alive.

---

I recognize that it's likely strategically correct to wait for a Cop cc. If y'all want to do that, that's fine. I trust the real Cop to play this their way and make us proud. They don't specifically need to claim EON4 or on any given point. Selfishly, I would appreciate that they go for it sooner rather than later, but I don't have the info to know whether that's right or wrong, so do what's best.

I completely agree with kgray. There is no way you're convincing me that, after we killed bozo yesterday, mafia is doing anything but roleblocking the outed Doc and killing the outed Cop, especially after losing a WIFOM battle the previous night and giving us an extra misfire - just to go hunting PRs among the lurkers. No fucking way. That's not even arrogant, that's just reckless.

damo being VT does not confirm Chaqa to be the Cop. It only confirms damo is not the Cop. It does make it entirely reasonable to wait to kill him.

That said, in addition to my EON post, and to kgray's point, Chaqa's deeming kgray's theory a "scumslip" is, in my mind, pretty close to a scumslip itself. kgray's theory was not only internally consistent even without actual knowledge of the RB, but made perfect sense as a retort to the RB claim. I would have been suspicious of worcej for trying to argue it as a scumslip except that he's confirmed Doc. At least worcej plausibly could have missed the RB claim. But Chaqa literally just posted that he was RBed. kgray's post is a completely natural reaction to it. Even if she herself didn't actually see it, if you had just claimed RB, it would not make any sense to think that someone calling BS on the night's events was "scumslipping" by implying they knew what you just said. It's an unnatural reaction that to me fits far more with mafia trying to run with worcej making a logical error. worcej has the excuse of not literally being the person who gave the info. Chaqa does not.

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Chaqa delenda est

I mean I'm with you man but I still don't think we kill him

At least he's taking RB out of the question

[kgray]

Anyway I might town read kgray now

I mean, if it wasnt for me getting punked badly by her in the not-too-distant past, id be pretty vocal about my opinion there.

The curse of competence is real. Doesnt help that im still not 100% sure, but I dont see any of the scum motivation that people seem to be seeing.

wtf you've been declaring me obvtown for like 4 phases

[Fluminator]

Chaqa stop please.
Take a break.

[snowy801]

Also I apologize if a couple of my posts came off heated, I was driving while I posted my start of day reacts and did not leave my customary emojis

Chaqa you're my bruv but you're mafia this game I'm sure of it

I’m not your fucking bruv

Chaqa chill just a game

[President Eden]

TLDR:
- I thought lfischl was Oracle
- I believe TFB
- This only proves the Cop is still alive
- I accept it's logical not to kill Chaqa now
- I don't care, I think he's mafia, explained below
- I'm not budging but y'all can kill someone else, it's cool

---

Can someone explain why everyone and their mothers thought lfischl was the JOAT

It is kinda weird the inno'd a clear and gravedug damo

Well, I thought he was the Oracle, actually, based on a couple of posts on day 1 that took specific interest in how the role worked. He obviously isn't.

I don't think he's the Cop, either, because I suspect lfischl would have been way more involved and excited for the game than he seemed to be, especially given that he could cc someone. I don't think he would have kept it quiet and died with it.

So unless Boat is mafia, which I don't believe, the real Cop - whoever it is - is still alive.

---

I recognize that it's likely strategically correct to wait for a Cop cc. If y'all want to do that, that's fine. I trust the real Cop to play this their way and make us proud. They don't specifically need to claim EON4 or on any given point. Selfishly, I would appreciate that they go for it sooner rather than later, but I don't have the info to know whether that's right or wrong, so do what's best.

I completely agree with kgray. There is no way you're convincing me that, after we killed bozo yesterday, mafia is doing anything but roleblocking the outed Doc and killing the outed Cop, especially after losing a WIFOM battle the previous night and giving us an extra misfire - just to go hunting PRs among the lurkers. No fucking way. That's not even arrogant, that's just reckless.

damo being VT does not confirm Chaqa to be the Cop. It only confirms damo is not the Cop. It does make it entirely reasonable to wait to kill him.

That said, in addition to my EON post, and to kgray's point, Chaqa's deeming kgray's theory a "scumslip" is, in my mind, pretty close to a scumslip itself. kgray's theory was not only internally consistent even without actual knowledge of the RB, but made perfect sense as a retort to the RB claim. I would have been suspicious of worcej for trying to argue it as a scumslip except that he's confirmed Doc. At least worcej plausibly could have missed the RB claim. But Chaqa literally just posted that he was RBed. kgray's post is a completely natural reaction to it. Even if she herself didn't actually see it, if you had just claimed RB, it would not make any sense to think that someone calling BS on the night's events was "scumslipping" by implying they knew what you just said. It's an unnatural reaction that to me fits far more with mafia trying to run with worcej making a logical error. worcej has the excuse of not literally being the person who gave the info. Chaqa does not.

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Chaqa delenda est

Fuck you again

Vote me out or shut the fuck up

You keep moving the goalposts to justify your shitty ego read on me

Fuck off

It's pretty obvious they don't want to do it, and it's not really productive to keep pushing it right now, so nah, I'm good with my vote g

[President Eden]

Anyway on other topics, kgray is townie to me, which makes me wonder a bit about ghug, but I don't have anything prepped for that. Just don't want to be focused exclusively on my one target here

[President Eden]

On the other hand wouldn't scum!Tom have claimed something EoD2

I don't really mind this since Tom's more or less forcing us to flip him eventually but that's always on the back of my mind

I think EOD2 was rather chaotic, he might not have realized he needed to claim. He didn't become a real lead wagon or threat to be one until actually less than a minute in the day, so unlike the other two he didn't have any notice

[Vecna]

Anyway I might town read kgray now

I mean, if it wasnt for me getting punked badly by her in the not-too-distant past, id be pretty vocal about my opinion there.

The curse of competence is real. Doesnt help that im still not 100% sure, but I dont see any of the scum motivation that people seem to be seeing.

wtf you've been declaring me obvtown for like 4 phases

And you feel its been as strong as it wouldve been in the past?

Im not voting you. im not stopping others from acting.

[Vecna]

That last post was phrased pretty terribly.

Anyways im going to bed before this shit gets stuck in my head and im a zombie tomorrow

[Fluminator]

100% Town:
Bonatogether
Chaqa
Fluminator
TheFlyingBoat
Worcej

95% town
BunnyGo

People who bleed town this game
Durga
rdrivera2005
snowy801
President Eden

People who bleed town, but they're ghug so...
Ghug

Current POE pile for me:
BesharamSabi
Doom427
Jamiet99uk
kgray
Tom Bombadil
Vecna

Good list. I'd add Sabi to the town pile due to town slips that are so out there I can't believe they're fake. I also disagree with your snowy read, but that's fine. I'll try to post some heavy analysis after work.

Sabi being town is probably correct. I admit I haven't analyzed them at all or tried to read them in the slightest yet.

Snowy has just created so much content in a very stream of conscious townie thought process (even though I don't agree with many of his takes) that would be absolutely exhausting to fake for this long. I can easily follow his thought processes even when he doesn't vocalize them directly and I usually can't do that with scum.

[kgray]

I mean, if it wasnt for me getting punked badly by her in the not-too-distant past, id be pretty vocal about my opinion there.

The curse of competence is real. Doesnt help that im still not 100% sure, but I dont see any of the scum motivation that people seem to be seeing.

wtf you've been declaring me obvtown for like 4 phases

And you feel its been as strong as it wouldve been in the past?

Im not voting you. im not stopping others from acting.

It doesn't seem that different from past games? I'm not sure. But you have been very vocal that you strongly townread me.

[Chaqa]

People I will vote for today:
ghug
kgray
rdrivera2005
snowy801

[Bonatogether]

How did you know I wasn't RB'ed?

I don't? I'm saying scum would RB the doc and kill the cop. That's what I'd have done.

Makes me think scum team is wicked inexperienced.

doom/sabi/jasnah/chaqa scumteam lmao

[Chaqa]

Day 1 VCA doesn't look great for ghug if my belief jasnah was scum is true.

I also think he's the type who would play up the misdirection strategy scum seems to be employing.

I'm not so sure kgray or rivera would go for it.

Maybe snowy, but I haven't seem his scumgame. His imposter game is usually pretty strong, though.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I don't? I'm saying scum would RB the doc and kill the cop. That's what I'd have done.

Makes me think scum team is wicked inexperienced.

doom/sabi/jasnah/chaqa scumteam lmao

Uhhh...what about bozo?

[Fluminator]

Actually, maybe I should reread PE before I declare him obvtown. It's been a long time since I've closely read his posts.

[Bonatogether]

Bona wasn't a town clear EoD1...

Oh right sorry wasn't thinking

What made you choose him?

High levels of engagement with me, lots of useful posts in general but a nagging feeling about him I wanted to resolve. In addition kgray seemed to take issue with Bona starting a wagon on her and there was some suggestion there was a Bona-Durga alignment tie around that time. There may have been other linkages to Bona at that time by other players and I figured if I could get a read on Bona that could give me some information not just about him but on others as well based on how they reacted around him.

LMAO the me and durga thing was a selection biased as fuck bungo post that he tried for no one else.