Jamie was scumreading bozo before EOD, though. It's not like he just jumped on the wagon when it was between bozo and Tom.President Eden wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:38 amconsider that they might have just not had a choice d2 because we put 2 mafia up at the endsnowy801 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:37 amIt did strike me as being odd that after all the talk about "well now we know bozo's alignment let's vote someone out to give oracle a good target" so many people just defaulted to voting him anyway
Though I don't think anyone on that list is particularly scummy. Maybe Jamiet - I forget who but whoever said "Jamiet doesn't seem to give a shit about lurkers" struck me as true, though I'm not really sure that makes sense unless scum mass bussed bozo D2 which I kinda think might've happened but I don't know why they would
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Why do you doubt it?TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:46 amWith the obvious worcej exception (unless you think scum team is bona, worcej, and bozo, in which case jesus), everyone voted for bozo at the end of the day besides Vecna. I think Vecna has been a relatively popular townread, but maybe something is there? I doubt it, though.
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I realized after saying this that “they” had to refer to the mystery 4th because obviously Tom and bozo aren’t gonna vote themselves, and Jamie committed beforehand.kgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:06 pmJamie was scumreading bozo before EOD, though. It's not like he just jumped on the wagon when it was between bozo and Tom.President Eden wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:38 amconsider that they might have just not had a choice d2 because we put 2 mafia up at the endsnowy801 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:37 amIt did strike me as being odd that after all the talk about "well now we know bozo's alignment let's vote someone out to give oracle a good target" so many people just defaulted to voting him anyway
Though I don't think anyone on that list is particularly scummy. Maybe Jamiet - I forget who but whoever said "Jamiet doesn't seem to give a shit about lurkers" struck me as true, though I'm not really sure that makes sense unless scum mass bussed bozo D2 which I kinda think might've happened but I don't know why they would
As I’ve slept on it and considered things more, if Tom and bozo are both mafia, the only really useful info to be gleaned from that is that the mafia team just didn’t have a lot of driving presence in the thread (or else how did half the team end up being the wagons ), which reinforces to me that a lot of the big talkers are town and we’ve ended up in a ton of TvT fights. It doesn’t end up saying a lot about actual votes though.
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Voting patterns? Please elaborate on how my voting is scummy.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:16 amI see why she views it as weird and a light scum tell just because it is weird and has no meta read on me. Doesn't change my read on her because my read was never based on OMGUS but was more based on voting patterns.snowy801 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:07 amAnd therefore, your opinion on kgray with this understanding? Still the same?TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:04 amOh I see. That's just my personality in games like this. I like to over-explain rather than under-explain whenever possible because when I leave things unexplained assuming they're obvious I almost always get questions about. I figure might as well explain everything as much as possible so long as I have the time do so in order to make sure I can do a good job once instead of having to redo it multiple times.
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See? D3, just as predictedVecna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:55 amMy guess would be because everyones scumreading her and arguing over stuff and telling her she wrong.Durga wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:23 amI don't I just feel bad that she's upset, yknow?
In all seriousness I can't figure her out this game. She's different than normal but I heard her scum game is top tier but this isn't exactly that. She's frustrated and showing it and I'm not sure she would necessarily do that as scum. But then again I don't know why she's frustrated as town either. So really I'm confused.
Or maybe im just wrong
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I got kid home from school, so I'm off for a while. I quickly skimmed bozo's day 1. There's some interesting stuff there, maybe some interactions. I'll go through the search to see who was talking at/about him too.
Maybe someone else wants to duplicate this effort in the meantime?
Maybe someone else wants to duplicate this effort in the meantime?
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I’ll do the ole CTRL-F bozo dive sometime today and see if anything neat comes up
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What the heck Tom. I'm still a possibility because the scumread I pushed that turned out to be (almost certainly) scum could have just been me bussing? That's not even a reason to scumread me, it's just claiming that anything I'm doing could still be done by scum.Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmAt work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.
I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)
##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.
I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)
I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.
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NahJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:46 pmThis is confusing.kgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:44 pmNo. But I am thinking about it more and though I still think it's scummy, it might actually make you less likely to be scum... I don't know, it's not important atmFluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:39 am
I legitamitely have no memory of what scummy thing you could be talking about. Shutting down the damo cop theory?
If you think it's not important could you briefly explain what it was, so that we can put it aside and stop wondering what you saw that others missed?
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Sorry I'm confused. You thought he was the doc when he claimed it, but you didn't immediately realize that made you townread him?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:52 pmYeah that's fair. It wasn't an immediate realization I had so the progression was a little weirdkgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pmYeah I did see that you said that, though you still said you were unsure about ghug after he hardclaimed doc and before the alleged slip. And if you didn't want scum to think about the possibility of doc!ghug, why would you state outright that you unironically believe him?
So honestly this explanation makes me more suspicious. I guess that's why it's called a tunnel.
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Gladiatore olekgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:26 pmWhat the heck Tom. I'm still a possibility because the scumread I pushed that turned out to be (almost certainly) scum could have just been me bussing? That's not even a reason to scumread me, it's just claiming that anything I'm doing could still be done by scum.Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmAt work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.
I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)
##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.
I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)
I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.
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I didn’t immediately fully believe him, but I did pretty soon afterkgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:29 pmSorry I'm confused. You thought he was the doc when he claimed it, but you didn't immediately realize that made you townread him?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:52 pmYeah that's fair. It wasn't an immediate realization I had so the progression was a little weirdkgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pm
Yeah I did see that you said that, though you still said you were unsure about ghug after he hardclaimed doc and before the alleged slip. And if you didn't want scum to think about the possibility of doc!ghug, why would you state outright that you unironically believe him?
So honestly this explanation makes me more suspicious. I guess that's why it's called a tunnel.
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This was poorly explained. My point is that bozo is probably scum. Scum presumably thought Bona scanned bozo hence the NK. In a no flip game, there is less incentive to bus. I think everyone who pushed bozo gets towncred - you are just the most likely to have a) thought Bona had a scan of bozo and 2) would have the guts to bus and 3) wereunder some suspicion so had the most to gain from the towncred bussing could provide. I think it’s dangerous to POE and just write off everyone who pushed bozo as a suspect if scum thought he was a dead man walking (scanned)kgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:26 pmWhat the heck Tom. I'm still a possibility because the scumread I pushed that turned out to be (almost certainly) scum could have just been me bussing? That's not even a reason to scumread me, it's just claiming that anything I'm doing could still be done by scum.Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmAt work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.
I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)
##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.
I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)
I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.
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