M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

It did strike me as being odd that after all the talk about "well now we know bozo's alignment let's vote someone out to give oracle a good target" so many people just defaulted to voting him anyway

Though I don't think anyone on that list is particularly scummy. Maybe Jamiet - I forget who but whoever said "Jamiet doesn't seem to give a shit about lurkers" struck me as true, though I'm not really sure that makes sense unless scum mass bussed bozo D2 which I kinda think might've happened but I don't know why they would

consider that they might have just not had a choice d2 because we put 2 mafia up at the end

Jamie was scumreading bozo before EOD, though. It's not like he just jumped on the wagon when it was between bozo and Tom.

[kgray]

With the obvious worcej exception (unless you think scum team is bona, worcej, and bozo, in which case jesus), everyone voted for bozo at the end of the day besides Vecna. I think Vecna has been a relatively popular townread, but maybe something is there? I doubt it, though.

Why do you doubt it?

[President Eden]

It did strike me as being odd that after all the talk about "well now we know bozo's alignment let's vote someone out to give oracle a good target" so many people just defaulted to voting him anyway

Though I don't think anyone on that list is particularly scummy. Maybe Jamiet - I forget who but whoever said "Jamiet doesn't seem to give a shit about lurkers" struck me as true, though I'm not really sure that makes sense unless scum mass bussed bozo D2 which I kinda think might've happened but I don't know why they would

consider that they might have just not had a choice d2 because we put 2 mafia up at the end

Jamie was scumreading bozo before EOD, though. It's not like he just jumped on the wagon when it was between bozo and Tom.

I realized after saying this that “they” had to refer to the mystery 4th because obviously Tom and bozo aren’t gonna vote themselves, and Jamie committed beforehand.

As I’ve slept on it and considered things more, if Tom and bozo are both mafia, the only really useful info to be gleaned from that is that the mafia team just didn’t have a lot of driving presence in the thread (or else how did half the team end up being the wagons ), which reinforces to me that a lot of the big talkers are town and we’ve ended up in a ton of TvT fights. It doesn’t end up saying a lot about actual votes though.

[Chaqa]

Maybe we flip Tom or snowy as an Oracle target?

[Durga]

We're not flipping snowy, what

[kgray]

Oh I see. That's just my personality in games like this. I like to over-explain rather than under-explain whenever possible because when I leave things unexplained assuming they're obvious I almost always get questions about. I figure might as well explain everything as much as possible so long as I have the time do so in order to make sure I can do a good job once instead of having to redo it multiple times.

And therefore, your opinion on kgray with this understanding? Still the same?

I see why she views it as weird and a light scum tell just because it is weird and has no meta read on me. Doesn't change my read on her because my read was never based on OMGUS but was more based on voting patterns.

Voting patterns? Please elaborate on how my voting is scummy.

[Chaqa]

We're not flipping snowy, what

He’s obvscum

[rdrivera2005]

We're not flipping snowy, what

I second this.

[rdrivera2005]

We're not flipping snowy, what

He’s obvscum

Why?

[kgray]

@Durga why do you townread kgray?

I don't I just feel bad that she's upset, yknow?

In all seriousness I can't figure her out this game. She's different than normal but I heard her scum game is top tier but this isn't exactly that. She's frustrated and showing it and I'm not sure she would necessarily do that as scum. But then again I don't know why she's frustrated as town either. So really I'm confused.

My guess would be because everyones scumreading her and arguing over stuff and telling her she wrong.

Or maybe im just wrong

See? D3, just as predicted

[Durga]

If snowy is scum he's scum with Chaqa

[President Eden]

Then let’s drop the Bomb

[BunnyGo]

I got kid home from school, so I'm off for a while. I quickly skimmed bozo's day 1. There's some interesting stuff there, maybe some interactions. I'll go through the search to see who was talking at/about him too.

Maybe someone else wants to duplicate this effort in the meantime?

[President Eden]

I’ll do the ole CTRL-F bozo dive sometime today and see if anything neat comes up

[kgray]

At work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.

I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)

##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.

I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)

I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.

What the heck Tom. I'm still a possibility because the scumread I pushed that turned out to be (almost certainly) scum could have just been me bussing? That's not even a reason to scumread me, it's just claiming that anything I'm doing could still be done by scum.

[kgray]

I legitamitely have no memory of what scummy thing you could be talking about. Shutting down the damo cop theory?

No. But I am thinking about it more and though I still think it's scummy, it might actually make you less likely to be scum... I don't know, it's not important atm

This is confusing.

If you think it's not important could you briefly explain what it was, so that we can put it aside and stop wondering what you saw that others missed?

Nah

[kgray]

Oh kgray did you miss my explanation of the ghug read?

I thought he was Doctor, when he hardclaimed it.

I didn’t want to explain it for fear of making scum think about it

Yeah I did see that you said that, though you still said you were unsure about ghug after he hardclaimed doc and before the alleged slip. And if you didn't want scum to think about the possibility of doc!ghug, why would you state outright that you unironically believe him?

So honestly this explanation makes me more suspicious. I guess that's why it's called a tunnel.

Yeah that's fair. It wasn't an immediate realization I had so the progression was a little weird

Sorry I'm confused. You thought he was the doc when he claimed it, but you didn't immediately realize that made you townread him?

[President Eden]

At work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.

I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)

##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.

I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)

I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.

What the heck Tom. I'm still a possibility because the scumread I pushed that turned out to be (almost certainly) scum could have just been me bussing? That's not even a reason to scumread me, it's just claiming that anything I'm doing could still be done by scum.

Gladiatore ole

[Chaqa]

Yeah I did see that you said that, though you still said you were unsure about ghug after he hardclaimed doc and before the alleged slip. And if you didn't want scum to think about the possibility of doc!ghug, why would you state outright that you unironically believe him?

So honestly this explanation makes me more suspicious. I guess that's why it's called a tunnel.

Yeah that's fair. It wasn't an immediate realization I had so the progression was a little weird

Sorry I'm confused. You thought he was the doc when he claimed it, but you didn't immediately realize that made you townread him?

I didn’t immediately fully believe him, but I did pretty soon after

[Tom Bombadil]

At work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.

I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)

##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.

I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)

I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.

What the heck Tom. I'm still a possibility because the scumread I pushed that turned out to be (almost certainly) scum could have just been me bussing? That's not even a reason to scumread me, it's just claiming that anything I'm doing could still be done by scum.

This was poorly explained. My point is that bozo is probably scum. Scum presumably thought Bona scanned bozo hence the NK. In a no flip game, there is less incentive to bus. I think everyone who pushed bozo gets towncred - you are just the most likely to have a) thought Bona had a scan of bozo and 2) would have the guts to bus and 3) wereunder some suspicion so had the most to gain from the towncred bussing could provide. I think it’s dangerous to POE and just write off everyone who pushed bozo as a suspect if scum thought he was a dead man walking (scanned)