M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]
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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]
At work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.
I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)
##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.
I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)
I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.
I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)
##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.
I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)
I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.
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Sorry, Sabi. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I like the new confidence, but could you keep up with your original clarity?BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:34 pm
Wait wait wait hold up,,,,,, HOW IS MANGO SCUMMY?
Bona All TOGETHER, father of Sarah the cool catto, slayer of scum,,,,,, how could you betray me like this
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Now it is your turn not to understand jokes.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmSorry, Sabi. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I like the new confidence, but could you keep up with your original clarity?BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:34 pm
Wait wait wait hold up,,,,,, HOW IS MANGO SCUMMY?
Bona All TOGETHER, father of Sarah the cool catto, slayer of scum,,,,,, how could you betray me like this
Bona said that Mango was a scummy flavour.
Mango was the flavour Bozo said was his favourite during sign ups.
Besharam is hammily over-reacting to this as a joke.
The only person you're truly competing against, Wesley, is yourself.
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Holy shit I've got over 9,000 karma.
My Karma has gone up by about 650 during this game so far. That's insane.
My Karma has gone up by about 650 during this game so far. That's insane.
The only person you're truly competing against, Wesley, is yourself.
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No. But I am thinking about it more and though I still think it's scummy, it might actually make you less likely to be scum... I don't know, it's not important atmFluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:39 amI legitamitely have no memory of what scummy thing you could be talking about. Shutting down the damo cop theory?kgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:23 amWell I've never claimed that you sweat towniness....Fluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:05 amHey! You've gone after me more this game than vice versa!
And you know what you did was scummy and that's all I'm going to say on that.
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Now you can see why I volunteered to GM so many times back in the days when only +1-ing the GM was allowed.
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This is confusing.kgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:44 pmNo. But I am thinking about it more and though I still think it's scummy, it might actually make you less likely to be scum... I don't know, it's not important atmFluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:39 amI legitamitely have no memory of what scummy thing you could be talking about. Shutting down the damo cop theory?
If you think it's not important could you briefly explain what it was, so that we can put it aside and stop wondering what you saw that others missed?
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I think kgray is town. That is an annoyance of someone who is innocent that is being targeted. If she was scum she would have brushed it off instead of constantly refocusing that she isn't scum. So yea this has made her town in my eyes.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmMost of us think Bozo was scum fake-claiming Doctor, and therefore believe that Worcej and Bofatogether are town.BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:27 pmJust trying to catch up to posts, what have I missed?
By God yall shit post a lot so it's hard to find actual nuggets of info while rereading.
Bozo is now self voting and appealing to the Oracle to scan him.
President Eden is fucking around and being weird and made a silly fake Cop claim.
BunnyGo scumreads me but his lazy arguments are paper thin.
Kgray is not having fun.
The flimsy boat looks sus and overly calculated, on the other hand.
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Yeah I did see that you said that, though you still said you were unsure about ghug after he hardclaimed doc and before the alleged slip. And if you didn't want scum to think about the possibility of doc!ghug, why would you state outright that you unironically believe him?
So honestly this explanation makes me more suspicious. I guess that's why it's called a tunnel.
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It was a joke reaction to him saying Mango is scummy.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmSorry, Sabi. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I like the new confidence, but could you keep up with your original clarity?BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:34 pm
Wait wait wait hold up,,,,,, HOW IS MANGO SCUMMY?
Bona All TOGETHER, father of Sarah the cool catto, slayer of scum,,,,,, how could you betray me like this
I have no choice but to vote for Bona because of this ##VOTE bonathescum
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I still don't think we should kill Bozo today.
I do think he's mafia in say 75%+ of universes, but the potential WIFOM situation it puts mafia in is quite valuable, as I've said before. Referring back to my list of possible scum suspects, I'd like to vote Snowy or Tom today, or maybe Rivera or TFB.
Rivera has been flying under the radar heavily, but that isn't super unusual for him.
Tom's biggest thing going for him is being a scum counter-wagon.
I think those three are my pool for today.
I do think he's mafia in say 75%+ of universes, but the potential WIFOM situation it puts mafia in is quite valuable, as I've said before. Referring back to my list of possible scum suspects, I'd like to vote Snowy or Tom today, or maybe Rivera or TFB.
Rivera has been flying under the radar heavily, but that isn't super unusual for him.
Tom's biggest thing going for him is being a scum counter-wagon.
I think those three are my pool for today.
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Yeah that's fair. It wasn't an immediate realization I had so the progression was a little weirdkgray wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pmYeah I did see that you said that, though you still said you were unsure about ghug after he hardclaimed doc and before the alleged slip. And if you didn't want scum to think about the possibility of doc!ghug, why would you state outright that you unironically believe him?
So honestly this explanation makes me more suspicious. I guess that's why it's called a tunnel.
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Why snowy/TFB?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pmI still don't think we should kill Bozo today.
I do think he's mafia in say 75%+ of universes, but the potential WIFOM situation it puts mafia in is quite valuable, as I've said before. Referring back to my list of possible scum suspects, I'd like to vote Snowy or Tom today, or maybe Rivera or TFB.
Rivera has been flying under the radar heavily, but that isn't super unusual for him.
Tom's biggest thing going for him is being a scum counter-wagon.
I think those three are my pool for today.
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I have counted four. Who you excluded from your pool?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pmI still don't think we should kill Bozo today.
I do think he's mafia in say 75%+ of universes, but the potential WIFOM situation it puts mafia in is quite valuable, as I've said before. Referring back to my list of possible scum suspects, I'd like to vote Snowy or Tom today, or maybe Rivera or TFB.
Rivera has been flying under the radar heavily, but that isn't super unusual for him.
Tom's biggest thing going for him is being a scum counter-wagon.
I think those three are my pool for today.
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Chaqa - what are your thoughts on ghug. Obviously he is not in your pool so you townread him at least to a degree? Why?
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Snowy is my #1 scumread after Bozo, and has been for some time, though it's mostly based on a gut feeling on him. I admit he isn't the easiest person to read, but I kinda feel like he has to be flipped eventually anyway.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:53 pmWhy snowy/TFB?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pmI still don't think we should kill Bozo today.
I do think he's mafia in say 75%+ of universes, but the potential WIFOM situation it puts mafia in is quite valuable, as I've said before. Referring back to my list of possible scum suspects, I'd like to vote Snowy or Tom today, or maybe Rivera or TFB.
Rivera has been flying under the radar heavily, but that isn't super unusual for him.
Tom's biggest thing going for him is being a scum counter-wagon.
I think those three are my pool for today.
TFB is tougher. I had a mild townread on him in Day 1 but he's done absolutely nothing all game like some of the other new players.
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I was thinking of the three as Snowy, Tom, TFB.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:53 pmI have counted four. Who you excluded from your pool?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:49 pmI still don't think we should kill Bozo today.
I do think he's mafia in say 75%+ of universes, but the potential WIFOM situation it puts mafia in is quite valuable, as I've said before. Referring back to my list of possible scum suspects, I'd like to vote Snowy or Tom today, or maybe Rivera or TFB.
Rivera has been flying under the radar heavily, but that isn't super unusual for him.
Tom's biggest thing going for him is being a scum counter-wagon.
I think those three are my pool for today.
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He's around the same tier as Kgray. Could go either way, but I'm still confident I'll get a feel for him at some point.Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:55 pmChaqa - what are your thoughts on ghug. Obviously he is not in your pool so you townread him at least to a degree? Why?
Though maybe the fact he hasn't obvtown'd to me is telling.
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Hark, I challenge thee to a gladiatoreTom Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:36 pmAt work and can’t keep up with you maniacs all the time.
I still sorta like giving Oracle a useful dead person rather than almost certainly scum bozo. (Though I suppose with multiple near clears scum probably aren’t going to hit Oracle anyways so we could probably just dispatch bozo here)
##vote President Eden for now. Will fully catch-up at lunch.
I also think kgray is still a possibility. Assume scum killed Bona because they thought they had a guilty scan on bozo. Kgray could have picked up on this and bussed bozo. Certainly bussing does make sense in a setup with oracles as it could give scum deep cover if a dead scum is revealed. Also would help explain why her counterwagon fizzled and wagons started on me and TFB (to a lesser degree)
I think either of these would be a better Oracle target than bozo.
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What do you think is nice about this post?TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:51 amThis is a nice post other than your scum read of me which I'll get to in a second. First, I wanted to dive into a counter factual with you. In your second paragraph you devote a lot of analysis to a worldview built around your current view that Damo is the cop. I am curious about your reads in the alternate read in which Damo is just a normal townie.
You say that Damo being cop forces you to accept President Eden is town. How high on your list of suspects would PE rank if Damo is not the cop and doesn't have that "obvtown" clear from Damo?
If damo is not the cop, how much would you say it affects you view that Chaqa isn't the cop? Does it significantly raise your estimation of the possibility or just slightly/not at all? And what do you make of the scum reads you have on Flum in the world the Chaqa is the cop? Who would you point to as scum in such a world?
And then as for your scum read, I really just disagree with it and I don't want to rehash this in long form for the nth time unless you want me to, so I'll just say I really don't think I am that careful at all or avoided controversy. I've made plenty of jokes, led wagons on people like Flum (though it ultimately failed), was probably Jasnah's most ardent defender and sought out fights on the issue a BUNCH, and was really active in the D1 controversies. D2 I was less active on because of watching Texas football with friends and then playing VDL R3 but when I did engage I had plenty of longform posts and back and forth argumentation with people like Bona where had deep replies to each other. I also posted a read list early at the top the day which I defended periodically too.
I don't really scumread Eden even without damo being cop. And I think the excitement over thinking he found damo crumbing his innocence seems sincere, so regardless of whether that was what damo was doing, I think the whole thing looks good for Eden. So I don't at all feel 'forced' to accept that Eden is town, it just happens to fit very well with my theories on the game.
If damo isn't the cop then obviously it decreases the chances that Chaqa is scum. There's little to no chance Jasnah was the cop, so there's either a real cop alive who will (hopefully) reveal themselves before dying or it's really just Chaqa. Obviously the no-reveal thing makes this more dubious.
And obviously if Chaqa is the cop, Flum is clear. If Chaqa is not the cop, it becomes a wifom game of wondering whether Chaqa would try to find a VT/PR or 'clear' a teammate. But I don't think Chaqa's and Flum's alignments affect my reads of anyone very much, so I'd still be suspicious of the same people.
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