M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

You know I was thinking

When bozo self voted with his rationale someone (I think Durga?) was like "what made you give up bozo" (actually it was definitely Durga that's where the engagement talk came from - is that real I still can't tell). Anyway, and then someone else was like "wow mafia must've really given him up"

Given that even in the face of insurmountable odds bozo was making that effort but he gave up about then, do we think a bus vote made him call off his efforts and shut up? I think it's a plausible theory worth considering. Could just mean he read the room and decided it was hopeless

Voters at the time:

Jamiet
lfischl
TheFlyingBoat
Vecna
bona
worcej

That's an interesting thought. I suppose it would be interesting to see who each person was voting for at EoD 2 and see if there is a discrepancy that could suggest the possibility for early coordination by mafia.

Jamiet - bozo
lfischl - bozo
TheFlyingBoat - bozo
Vecna - tom
bona - bozo - also lead wagon on bozo forever
worcej - tom - but also rival CC

With the obvious worcej exception (unless you think scum team is bona, worcej, and bozo, in which case jesus), everyone voted for bozo at the end of the day besides Vecna. I think Vecna has been a relatively popular townread, but maybe something is there? I doubt it, though.

Given the timeline of EoN2/D3 I doubt Mafia planned for the bus or at least for it to happen the way it did. There is no way they could have predicted that Bona would be saved by the doc, after all if we believe the Bona-Worcej claim we have to assume mafia chose Bona precisely because they assumed he'd be unprotected. A ton of those votes came right after Worcej's gloating about how he saved Bona.

Given that, do we really think over the course of N2 that mafia came up with a plan to bus Bozo at the beginning of the day or do you think it was more likely they'd try to waste time litigating the 50/50 and trying to maybe force a worcej wagon today if they could get away with it and accept a bozo one tomorrow. I certainly don't think they expected things to go the way they did.

I think a lot of people are just saying Vecna's going to solve the game if you just leave him be at which point there will be no reason for doubt anyway (other people, anyway - still haven't actually seen his town game unless this is is)

I've started perhaps feeling this is an unreasonable metric considering how it's currently being applied against me but still I'm not really sure if the idea is false.

It definitely does sound like the plan was for bozo to contest the claim robustly until worcej uh, slapped him with his meatstick, so to say so I think you're right there

[snowy801]

Sorry I was out all night. I do plan on pushing someone soon assuming rdr does something.

I don't know if you were responding to the right post Flum, but if so you're going to have to explain the relevancy

You were sad no one was pushing something outside of bozo

Oh that wasn't really what I was saying but ok

[TheFlyingBoat]

Also I don't want to make it seem like anyone who ever checks the thread has to write something but Boat man totally just ghosted me

Sorry haha I am often on these threads while working (this week has been particularly bad with late night debug syncs with the India team) so I will start compiling something, begin penning a reply, go back to run the code, keep replying, check results, go back to replying, etc. So if you see me on the forum and then wonder why I am not replying chances are I am, it is just coming out very slow lol.

[President Eden]

my yang has returned

[President Eden]

wait, is the chaotic one yin or yang?

Chaqa is here, is what I mean

[snowy801]

And then as for your scum read, I really just disagree with it and I don't want to rehash this in long form for the nth time unless you want me to, so I'll just say I really don't think I am that careful at all or avoided controversy. I've made plenty of jokes, led wagons on people like Flum (though it ultimately failed), was probably Jasnah's most ardent defender and sought out fights on the issue a BUNCH, and was really active in the D1 controversies. D2 I was less active on because of watching Texas football with friends and then playing VDL R3 but when I did engage I had plenty of longform posts and back and forth argumentation with people like Bona where had deep replies to each other. I also posted a read list early at the top the day which I defended periodically too.

Boat I have a question

Do you understand why people are saying you're being careful and avoiding controversy and simply disagreeing, or do you not understand it at all?

I simply don't understand it. I think I have courted controversy frequently when I was very convinced I was right and that others were wrong.

Okay so the charge levied against you which I feel is true, at least, if not necessarily alignment indicative is that you are always careful to justify your actions and defend yourself against even light accusations.

I think the definitive post which a lot of people pointed to was when you voted worcej at EoD1 saying "can't kill the cop" while switching off Chaqa (which if both claims are true pretty ironic statement)

The argument states that you didn't actually need to explain that (nobody else did), just vote, and your mentality of wanting to ensure everyone sees your actions have rationale is a defensive ergo scummy one.

I personally felt this when you voted Chaqa after he made the y'all/ya'll joke like the degen scum that he is. Like you could've just ignored it and moved on but I think you explained like 3 times that time that you were doing it for that. I think most people just wouldn't have given a shit what people thought about that.

Maybe it's just your personality but the inclination is definitely there.

In light of this, how do you feel about kgray's argument against you again?

[TheFlyingBoat]

Boat I have a question

Do you understand why people are saying you're being careful and avoiding controversy and simply disagreeing, or do you not understand it at all?

I simply don't understand it. I think I have courted controversy frequently when I was very convinced I was right and that others were wrong.

Okay so the charge levied against you which I feel is true, at least, if not necessarily alignment indicative is that you are always careful to justify your actions and defend yourself against even light accusations.

I think the definitive post which a lot of people pointed to was when you voted worcej at EoD1 saying "can't kill the cop" while switching off Chaqa (which if both claims are true pretty ironic statement)

The argument states that you didn't actually need to explain that (nobody else did), just vote, and your mentality of wanting to ensure everyone sees your actions have rationale is a defensive ergo scummy one.

I personally felt this when you voted Chaqa after he made the y'all/ya'll joke like the degen scum that he is. Like you could've just ignored it and moved on but I think you explained like 3 times that time that you were doing it for that. I think most people just wouldn't have given a shit what people thought about that.

Maybe it's just your personality but the inclination is definitely there.

In light of this, how do you feel about kgray's argument against you again?

Oh I see. That's just my personality in games like this. I like to over-explain rather than under-explain whenever possible because when I leave things unexplained assuming they're obvious I almost always get questions about. I figure might as well explain everything as much as possible so long as I have the time do so in order to make sure I can do a good job once instead of having to redo it multiple times.

[TheFlyingBoat]

my yang has returned

When did you lose your yang and why?

[snowy801]

Oh I see. That's just my personality in games like this. I like to over-explain rather than under-explain whenever possible because when I leave things unexplained assuming they're obvious I almost always get questions about. I figure might as well explain everything as much as possible so long as I have the time do so in order to make sure I can do a good job once instead of having to redo it multiple times.

And therefore, your opinion on kgray with this understanding? Still the same?

[Chaqa]

Wat

[snowy801]

Wat

Cheden? Edaqa?

[ghug]

wait, is the chaotic one yin or yang?

Chaqa is here, is what I mean

Which one of you is the chaotic one?

[Chaqa]

Not him

[TheFlyingBoat]

Oh I see. That's just my personality in games like this. I like to over-explain rather than under-explain whenever possible because when I leave things unexplained assuming they're obvious I almost always get questions about. I figure might as well explain everything as much as possible so long as I have the time do so in order to make sure I can do a good job once instead of having to redo it multiple times.

And therefore, your opinion on kgray with this understanding? Still the same?

I see why she views it as weird and a light scum tell just because it is weird and has no meta read on me. Doesn't change my read on her because my read was never based on OMGUS but was more based on voting patterns.

[ghug]

Vecna, when you get here, tell me why you're endvoting.

[Vecna]

Can everyone endvoting please address my posts that jasnas, damo, bozo are not a good pool for oracle targets?

And we have the power to get a fresh unknown corpse available to target instead of wasting the day.

Jasnah is a fine target, especially with bunny acting all weird n shit.

All thisll result in is diverted attention. Better to get the required slow business out of the way now so it wont come later and create and even bigger hole in the game.

[Vecna]

I can’t be mafia because I would never disrespect Bona by assuming he must be Cop just because he caught somebody. I would be beside myself with joy

beep-beep-beep

my bullshit detector seems to be having problems with this statement

[Vecna]

It's possible that scum didn't bother using the RB at all, right? They might have just thought going for Bona was out of the blue enough to avoid the doc, letting scum!Chaqa continue to claim it?

If they really thought Bona or damo was the real cop, it could be worth it to them to just not RB. But I don't know if it's likely unless they're really desperate for Chaqa to go deep. They could have just let him claim a scan.

No…that’s tin foil levels. This is also the answer to why I think chaqa amd Flum are most cleared.

bunny/chaqa/bozo/flum

confirmed

maybe thats why flum is so worried about the gravediggers digging up the early kills

[Vecna]

What part do you think I should reread anyway

All of it

Honestly, id be worried he missed something vital if he doesnt do it twice. Worried about his commitment to this game as well.

[Vecna]

Still have no fucking idea what happened with Jasnah

Chaqa you said she's scum why do you think that

Because it would be the most WebDip thing ever if I get outed as Cop for pushing a mafia member fake-claiming Miller on Day 1.

What, does your life revolve around sitcom rules?

have you ever met chaqa?