M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Fluminator]

stop being a baby worcej

[Bonatogether]

Woah calm down worc

I've been with you, it's incredibly obvious you're the real one here

worcej you gotta calm down, please

I'll be calm eventually. You have no idea how irate I am at the dumbass votes from Durga, TFB, Flum, Tom, and ghug.

Bozo dies D3, hard and fast. There is no discussion to be made.

worcej is my buddy

[Vecna]

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

I mean, was this enough last minute chaos for you?

turns out you were right.

This probably gave us more info than most EODs in full reveal games normally do lmao

[Bonatogether]

i hate this game

Ironically, Bona also came out looking pretty good to me.

Happy I changed my mind on you last minute. Good going Bona

hammer bozo

[worcej]

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

No reason to crumb to draw any attention.

Like, seriously reflect on it, who would think to NK me randomly? Last time I tried to hint at being a PR, damo picked it up and I got nailed. Decided to just be typical VT mode and it didn't work, because you all once again decided to go full-popularity contest on me.

[Bonatogether]

when i'm less pissed i'm going to make a vca post

[President Eden]

How many fucking clues do you all need?!?! I keep defending myself over and over, to the point I think scum are onto me. I bring up the counts of how many times you all DK me intentionally for you to pay attention and perhaps realize to NOT DAYKILL ME FOR ONCE!

You have an incentive not to be daykilled as any alignment. This is no reason to think you're Doctor and I am a bit stunned that you think it is.

What's even worse is it would've been totally awesome to just keep on going, because the likelihood of me being ever NK'ed was none, but because ya'll dipshits were so stacked on me for stupid reasons I had to fucking claim so that bozo couldn't become a default clear.

Well, yes, you had to claim once bozo did, regardless of what your actual role is. You should be thrilled that you have singlehandedly secured a mafia kill, if indeed you are the actual Doctor. You effectively got a guilty scan which in this setup is orders of magnitude more valuable than an active Doctor, particularly if Chaqa is the actual Cop.

Best part is, none of you will even believe my HC against bozo, but at least now you can look at all the people who pushed me and didn't comment on bozo, because there are a few scum in the names listed above.

I will be either killed or RB'ed for perpetuity. GJ the dumb townies who wagoned me.

Maybe you should dial down the ego for once instead. Even if you'd had a free hand it's not clear that that's worth more than taking out a mafia on a counterclaim.

[Fluminator]

I'm willing to townread Tom for the rest of the game, because I get a vague sense of disappointment he wasn't killed there.

[TheFlyingBoat]

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Durga/Tom/Flum/TFB/ghug: WHERE THE FUCK WAS YOUR VOTES FROM?!?! You are either worthless town or OBV!scum now for this bullshit.

I mean my vote didn't come from nowhere mate. I put it on you with an hour to go because kgray's wagon died and you were my second highest scum read. I thought you had bad reads I disagreed with and it turns out I was very wrong. I do buy your doc claim over Bozo's for whatever little that is worth.

[Bonatogether]

how did we go from 9-3 bozo kgray to tied bozo-worcej

[Vecna]

I actually don't mind the no-kill and was mulling over how to tie it, but things moved really fast. Seemed like a situation where it would be helpful to get more information. But maybe that's a really dumb take. The resident galactic brains will probably swarm to fill me in soon.

There is no specific inherent reason to believe either Doctor claimant. Doctor is the most valuable role remaining, so bozo would fakeclaim it on principle if mafia. And if bozo's claim is true, worcej was plainly going to die, so of course he is also incentivized to fakeclaim, and he might as well counterclaim Doctor so that he can trade for the true Doctor. Usually you believe a counterclaimant, but the dynamic changes when the counterclaimant is slated to die absent a counterclaim.

If either of them have convincing crumbs, they should probably come forward with them now, because mafia obviously knows which claim is real; I don't see a meaningful tactical advantage to withholding that information. It's probably best for us not to discuss the matter until EON2, though, and I will withhold my own analysis until then.

As an aside, or maybe as a starting point for discussion - Chaqa, bozo, why on Earth did y'all claim so late when your wagons were manifestly obvious before the deadline? I guess whether this is good or bad depends on how you feel about chaos at EOD. (I wonder if Tom's opinion changed )



The chaos of this EOD reinforces in my mind that the talkers are basically all town. Chaos comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty stems here from a lack of obvious targets and a lack of flips to figure out our progress. There might be at most one bad guy in the movers and shakers. This game definitely feels to me like one where town is calling all of the shots, the narrative frame is extremely dynamic.

yep, still on my clipboard

This feels like really desperate scum squirming lol

[Bonatogether]

this game sucks

[Tom Bombadil]

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

I mean, was this enough last minute chaos for you?

turns out you were right.

This probably gave us more info than most EODs in full reveal games normally do lmao

Hard as fuck to follow on my phone though. Don’t know how you mobile only people do it

[President Eden]

I actually don't mind the no-kill and was mulling over how to tie it, but things moved really fast. Seemed like a situation where it would be helpful to get more information. But maybe that's a really dumb take. The resident galactic brains will probably swarm to fill me in soon.

There is no specific inherent reason to believe either Doctor claimant. Doctor is the most valuable role remaining, so bozo would fakeclaim it on principle if mafia. And if bozo's claim is true, worcej was plainly going to die, so of course he is also incentivized to fakeclaim, and he might as well counterclaim Doctor so that he can trade for the true Doctor. Usually you believe a counterclaimant, but the dynamic changes when the counterclaimant is slated to die absent a counterclaim.

If either of them have convincing crumbs, they should probably come forward with them now, because mafia obviously knows which claim is real; I don't see a meaningful tactical advantage to withholding that information. It's probably best for us not to discuss the matter until EON2, though, and I will withhold my own analysis until then.

As an aside, or maybe as a starting point for discussion - Chaqa, bozo, why on Earth did y'all claim so late when your wagons were manifestly obvious before the deadline? I guess whether this is good or bad depends on how you feel about chaos at EOD. (I wonder if Tom's opinion changed )



The chaos of this EOD reinforces in my mind that the talkers are basically all town. Chaos comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty stems here from a lack of obvious targets and a lack of flips to figure out our progress. There might be at most one bad guy in the movers and shakers. This game definitely feels to me like one where town is calling all of the shots, the narrative frame is extremely dynamic.

yep, still on my clipboard

This feels like really desperate scum squirming lol

What exactly is incorrect about what I said?

[TheFlyingBoat]

i hate this game

Ironically, Bona also came out looking pretty good to me.

Happy I changed my mind on you last minute. Good going Bona

hammer bozo

oh for sure. We can rest pretty confident we got at least one mafia after D3 (I personally think exactly one, but I am sure some will think two with jasnah).

[Tom Bombadil]

I'm willing to townread Tom for the rest of the game, because I get a vague sense of disappointment he wasn't killed there.

Nah. We finally have some info in this flipless game!

[Vecna]

I actually don't mind the no-kill and was mulling over how to tie it, but things moved really fast. Seemed like a situation where it would be helpful to get more information. But maybe that's a really dumb take. The resident galactic brains will probably swarm to fill me in soon.

There is no specific inherent reason to believe either Doctor claimant. Doctor is the most valuable role remaining, so bozo would fakeclaim it on principle if mafia. And if bozo's claim is true, worcej was plainly going to die, so of course he is also incentivized to fakeclaim, and he might as well counterclaim Doctor so that he can trade for the true Doctor. Usually you believe a counterclaimant, but the dynamic changes when the counterclaimant is slated to die absent a counterclaim.

If either of them have convincing crumbs, they should probably come forward with them now, because mafia obviously knows which claim is real; I don't see a meaningful tactical advantage to withholding that information. It's probably best for us not to discuss the matter until EON2, though, and I will withhold my own analysis until then.

As an aside, or maybe as a starting point for discussion - Chaqa, bozo, why on Earth did y'all claim so late when your wagons were manifestly obvious before the deadline? I guess whether this is good or bad depends on how you feel about chaos at EOD. (I wonder if Tom's opinion changed )



The chaos of this EOD reinforces in my mind that the talkers are basically all town. Chaos comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty stems here from a lack of obvious targets and a lack of flips to figure out our progress. There might be at most one bad guy in the movers and shakers. This game definitely feels to me like one where town is calling all of the shots, the narrative frame is extremely dynamic.

yep, still on my clipboard

This feels like really desperate scum squirming lol

What exactly is incorrect about what I said?

thinking that there is no "inherent reason" to believe either doc claim?

[TheFlyingBoat]

how did we go from 9-3 bozo kgray to tied bozo-worcej

bozo claimed doc lol

[President Eden]

Of note, if Chaqa is the actual Cop, he's almost certainly going to get an actual scan off eventually.

[snowy801]

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

I mean, was this enough last minute chaos for you?

turns out you were right.

This probably gave us more info than most EODs in full reveal games normally do lmao

Hard as fuck to follow on my phone though. Don’t know how you mobile only people do it

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