M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#4641 Post by BesharamSabi » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:50 pm

President Eden wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:42 pm
Ok now I did.

There's nothing really wrong there but nothing powerful or compelling either. None of his posts have to come from town and none of them obviously point to him being mafia.

I think Durga is right that a lot of the people more heavily engaged in the game are town, and that the mafia are more likely to be among those who are fading into the background. And whatever I think about Chaqa's alignment, his heuristic about the timing of first vote is definitely legit, both as an a priori argument about how town vs mafia approach the game and as a summary of data from past games. Tom's voting pattern fits that bill for Day 2 at least (concededly, it does not for Day 1), and his activity pattern fits that bill both days (concededly, he seems to have IRL reasons for it being the case on Day 2, but not as much for Day 1).

Other people implicated by these two points:
- Sabi only inasfar as Day 2 goes, but it sounds like there were extenuating circumstances.
- rivera for both days, even though I've liked his posts when he's been here
- lfischl and if not for the thing I'm not going to talk about, there's really no reason not to think he's mafia
- worcej for both days
- bozo for Day 2

I am actually a bit surprised Chaqa didn't point out rivera as rivera is the most obvious person who fits the bill for his heuristic if you're actively looking to apply it. Idk if it means anything though.
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#4642 Post by snowy801 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm

kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
Do you think we should flat out vote Chaqa off today? I've considered this, but I'm curious about your take
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#4643 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm

Doom427 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:35 pm
Attempt at a Reads List by an ignorant child-

Really Good-
BunnyGo
Chances of being Mafia really really low. Really only worth the day kill if it's the near the end of the game and somehow Mafia hasn't gotten around to it.

Yeah, probably fine?
Vecna-I had a small inkling of something, but indigenistion=/=scum. And day 2 has so far been stuff I think is fine
Durga-Didn't like Jasnah thing, but it's all been pretty good vibes from there, and Jasnah thing isn't REALLY scum indicative
Ghug-Yeah, probably fine?
Snowy801-Yeah, probably fine?
kgray-Yeah, probably fine?

*shrug*
BesharamSabi-Us newbies from Chicago area have to stick together!
President Eden-I still like my theory about Damo kill, but no one else did, and then Jamie did the gladiator thing which sorta killed any momentum it was ever going to have, so *shrug*
Jamie-Jamie did that gladiator thing that killed any momentum my obviously accurate attack on PE had. JamieXPE scum team confirmed.
bozo-had a post earlier, mostly was doing things that are kinda passive, and did some stats stuff (like number of people voted for) that are useful to town, but also aren't anything a Mafia player wouldn't do.

Yeah, probably not fine?
Flum-Mostly been arguing he's fine because Chaqa is cop, and trying to prove Damo wasn't cop. That's probably not what a Mafia player WOULD do, but... it's also a little bad. If PE is on my shrug list, this is strictly more likely than PE.

Yeah, no, not great
Chaqa-I mean, come on. I can sorta see it, I do, but there's no real chance Chaqa isn't gonna get daykilled come late in the game, so only really useful to discuss in relation to other players.

God that was exhasuting. Going through the bot and seeing what people post, and trying to make guesses on that? I'm beat.

Are there any other players in this game? Sorry if I missed you
Explain to me how I killed momentum on PE by scumreading him and calling on people to vote for him??
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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#4644 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm

kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I like your third, fourth, and fifth options.
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#4645 Post by Doom427 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:52 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:45 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:41 pm
Doom427 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:35 pm
Are there any other players in this game? Sorry if I missed you
I don't know if this comprehensive but you are noticeably missing Tom/worcej.

Can you elaborate on your Eden read, how Jamiet's gladiation ties the two, and if you have any opinions on how bozo got roped into it?
Again - weird that I'm his vote and not in a read list when there was a reason stated to vote me to begin with. For reminder, this was the opinion Doom had at the time:
Doom427 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:40 pm
Still haven't caught up, but posting.on phone before driving out-

On worcej, that big tut-tutting post about almost killing Chaqa almost reads as town because of how weird and unauthentic it is. Just saying "Y'all almost killed cop, dumbasses!" Gets the point across, but with how big it was, it stuck in my head, over and above the... Are we at 10000 yet? God damn.

Not saying it's impossible, but because it read to me as weird, and also had that frustrated tone, I'd say it's either town Worcej who thinks Chaqa is cop, or scum worcej who knows Chaqa is town, and got frustrated with the town play. Really doubt you post that, even in a no flip game, if both are scum
Just copy paste the quote above, and put it in shrug, and that's the read list completed.

##VOTE Tom Bombadil

Cause he's got the most amount of votes of the super low posters. Everyone says he's good, and he hasn't false claimed Miller, so would prefer someone else, but think it's the best move this day.
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#4646 Post by Doom427 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:53 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm

Explain to me how I killed momentum on PE by scumreading him and calling on people to vote for him??
Cause it mostly read to me as a scumread based on PE putting you on his scumread list? I might have missed something, but that was the main thing I got out of that
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#4647 Post by lfischl » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I don't think chaqa is a good vote today. Im fine voting anyone else on the list though.
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#4648 Post by snowy801 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I like your third, fourth, and fifth options.
No matter where you look at it from Flum's in one of third, fourth and fifth lmfao
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#4649 Post by kgray » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
Do you think we should flat out vote Chaqa off today? I've considered this, but I'm curious about your take
I mean yeah, but enough people disagree with me that I'm sure it's just me being stubborn. Maybe if we had flips I'd be fighting for it?
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#4650 Post by snowy801 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Like seriously are you even trying
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#4651 Post by Durga » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Kgray why do you still want Chaqa I don't get it at all
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#4652 Post by Doom427 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:55 pm

BesharamSabi wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:49 pm
Doom427 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:35 pm
Attempt at a Reads List by an ignorant child-

Really Good-
BunnyGo
Chances of being Mafia really really low. Really only worth the day kill if it's the near the end of the game and somehow Mafia hasn't gotten around to it.

Yeah, probably fine?
Vecna-I had a small inkling of something, but indigenistion=/=scum. And day 2 has so far been stuff I think is fine
Durga-Didn't like Jasnah thing, but it's all been pretty good vibes from there, and Jasnah thing isn't REALLY scum indicative
Ghug-Yeah, probably fine?
Snowy801-Yeah, probably fine?
kgray-Yeah, probably fine?

*shrug*
BesharamSabi-Us newbies from Chicago area have to stick together!
President Eden-I still like my theory about Damo kill, but no one else did, and then Jamie did the gladiator thing which sorta killed any momentum it was ever going to have, so *shrug*
Jamie-Jamie did that gladiator thing that killed any momentum my obviously accurate attack on PE had. JamieXPE scum team confirmed.
bozo-had a post earlier, mostly was doing things that are kinda passive, and did some stats stuff (like number of people voted for) that are useful to town, but also aren't anything a Mafia player wouldn't do.

Yeah, probably not fine?
Flum-Mostly been arguing he's fine because Chaqa is cop, and trying to prove Damo wasn't cop. That's probably not what a Mafia player WOULD do, but... it's also a little bad. If PE is on my shrug list, this is strictly more likely than PE.

Yeah, no, not great
Chaqa-I mean, come on. I can sorta see it, I do, but there's no real chance Chaqa isn't gonna get daykilled come late in the game, so only really useful to discuss in relation to other players.

God that was exhasuting. Going through the bot and seeing what people post, and trying to make guesses on that? I'm beat.

Are there any other players in this game? Sorry if I missed you
Fellow chicagoan but thinks I'm shrug 😔
Just to establish our mutual animosity, to be exploited in M71-Chicago Typewriters when we win the game ;)
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#4653 Post by President Eden » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:55 pm

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:49 pm
President Eden wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:42 pm
Ok now I did.

There's nothing really wrong there but nothing powerful or compelling either. None of his posts have to come from town and none of them obviously point to him being mafia.

I think Durga is right that a lot of the people more heavily engaged in the game are town, and that the mafia are more likely to be among those who are fading into the background. And whatever I think about Chaqa's alignment, his heuristic about the timing of first vote is definitely legit, both as an a priori argument about how town vs mafia approach the game and as a summary of data from past games. Tom's voting pattern fits that bill for Day 2 at least (concededly, it does not for Day 1), and his activity pattern fits that bill both days (concededly, he seems to have IRL reasons for it being the case on Day 2, but not as much for Day 1).

Other people implicated by these two points:
- Sabi only inasfar as Day 2 goes, but it sounds like there were extenuating circumstances.
- rivera for both days, even though I've liked his posts when he's been here
- lfischl and if not for the thing I'm not going to talk about, there's really no reason not to think he's mafia
- worcej for both days
- bozo for Day 2

I am actually a bit surprised Chaqa didn't point out rivera as rivera is the most obvious person who fits the bill for his heuristic if you're actively looking to apply it. Idk if it means anything though.
It’s a little funny that you use this to try to implicate me, but leave off that from the beginning of the game I have advocated flash wagoning to avoid the issue that Chaqa brought up…. Seems a little opportunistic
Flashwagoning doesn't have anything to do with Chaqa's heuristic, which is that mafia are typically late to place their first vote, not their last one. If anything, predetermined flashwagoning weakens the heuristic because it gives mafia an excuse for waiting (albeit one that's unlikely to be persuasive if actually used).

I also don't see how this is an opportunistic observation to make.
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#4654 Post by Durga » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:55 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I like your third, fourth, and fifth options.
No matter where you look at it from Flum's in one of third, fourth and fifth lmfao
Wtf Chaqa lol
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#4655 Post by President Eden » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:56 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I like your third, fourth, and fifth options.
What are her third, fourth, and fifth options in your mind?
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#4656 Post by kgray » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:57 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I like your third, fourth, and fifth options.
No matter where you look at it from Flum's in one of third, fourth and fifth lmfao
Holy shit, I missed that :lol:

Change my previous answer about Chaqa to a firm YES lmaooooooo
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#4657 Post by Doom427 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:57 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:50 pm
Doom427 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:47 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:41 pm


I don't know if this comprehensive but you are noticeably missing Tom/worcej.

Can you elaborate on your Eden read, how Jamiet's gladiation ties the two, and if you have any opinions on how bozo got roped into it?
My Eden read is based off of slight gut checks d1, which are super meaningless when I'm a newbie, and the fact that Damo died. I had the theory that PE could see value killing Damo as Mafia if Mafia believed Chaqa was cop, b/c if we all bought Damo was cop, we would kill Chaqa, and townclear PE.
What I actually wrote about JamieT was mostly joking, but the Gladiation thing sorta had... no chance of going anywhere? So it's mostly the idea that it's a solid chance to look like they're on different teams, without actually risking either getting killed. The other scum read thing is just thinking the Gladiation thing was... somethign you would do as scum to make people stop voting you? b/c it's silly and will get everyone off you for the day.
Bozo was roped into things? Didn't see that when I took a look. Umm, no comment I guess? That was enough bot searching for me, could you tell me what you mean by that?
Jamiet eventually expanded his gladiation to Eden or bozo, which led to the hilarious comment (I think ghug's) of "you can't gladiate two people that's not how it works"

What do you think of the mindset of someone attempting to gladiate someone, then adding someone else to the pile?
It's something that shows you have no interest in actually galdiating someone, and is probably a scumtell under my analysis. But I sorta zoned out during that, would probably want to reread and see if that was actually happening.
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#4658 Post by kgray » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:57 pm

Durga wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm
Kgray why do you still want Chaqa I don't get it at all
He's my absolute strongest scumread and I think as of 2 minutes ago it's basically confirmed?
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#4659 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:58 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:48 pm
Personally, I would like to see wagons on the following people, roughly in this order:

Chaqa > ghug > bozo > TFB > Flum > Tom > Jamie

I highly doubt I'd be enthusiastic about voting anyone not on this list.
I like your third, fourth, and fifth options.
No matter where you look at it from Flum's in one of third, fourth and fifth lmfao
My brain may have transposed Flum and Tom :lol:
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#4660 Post by snowy801 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:58 pm

kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:57 pm
Durga wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm
Kgray why do you still want Chaqa I don't get it at all
He's my absolute strongest scumread and I think as of 2 minutes ago it's basically confirmed?
It is worth asking the question because he's also mine and Eden's scum read and neither of us thought it wise to actually drum him out yet

Do you think damo was cop? Or that there's no point in even bothering to wait for a cc?
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