M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#4301 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:24 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:17 pm
@bozo what're your conclusions from worcej and jamiet's statements that I should be on the block today?
I think jasnah was very likely town, so I think the mafia were excited to see 2 town CCing each other and were quick to push DKing both of you, thinking that would be the consensus.
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#4302 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:28 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:06 am
President Eden wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:46 am
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:44 am


I don’t think it would be against the rules of the game for me to provide a screenshot of my discord? Let me check that
No point, it would be trivial to remake it, and by necessity it could just be a screenshot from an earlier time, or edited to look like one.

I kind of doubt you'd actually go to the effort of faking a screenshot, but you could, and I also think this is borderline so I'd rather not make reading you about something like that.

I acknowledge it's a silly thing to press anyway, it just caught my attention.
Chaqa saying he was ready for a claim 6 hours before EOD is less towny than he thinks. What cop plans to claim? What was he going to do if someone else had claimed cop?
A cop who has absolutely zero faith in the skills of his fellow town.

Which is not at all out of character for me.
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#4303 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:29 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:42 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:06 am
President Eden wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:46 am

No point, it would be trivial to remake it, and by necessity it could just be a screenshot from an earlier time, or edited to look like one.

I kind of doubt you'd actually go to the effort of faking a screenshot, but you could, and I also think this is borderline so I'd rather not make reading you about something like that.

I acknowledge it's a silly thing to press anyway, it just caught my attention.
Chaqa saying he was ready for a claim 6 hours before EOD is less towny than he thinks. What cop plans to claim? What was he going to do if someone else had claimed cop?
The cop should only claim when absolutely necessary with a factional RB. The timing of Chaqa's claim suggests he cared more about not getting DKed than getting scans in.
A daykilled cop can’t get scans in… are you okay, Bozo?
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#4304 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:32 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:50 am
A skim of the bot suggests that Chaqa has still not explained his thoughts on Ghug campaigning to save Jasnah.

@Chaqa: Please talk about that.
A thorough search of the bot for my posts talking about ghug might find something to think about.
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#4305 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:34 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:29 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:42 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:06 am


Chaqa saying he was ready for a claim 6 hours before EOD is less towny than he thinks. What cop plans to claim? What was he going to do if someone else had claimed cop?
The cop should only claim when absolutely necessary with a factional RB. The timing of Chaqa's claim suggests he cared more about not getting DKed than getting scans in.
A daykilled cop can’t get scans in… are you okay, Bozo?
You claimed cop with 8 minutes left when you were up by only 1 vote, and I do not know if you could have seen my vote that put you up by 1, so you probably claimed when you saw the vote tied. That is giving up early on any chance of getting scans in.
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#4306 Post by Doom427 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:40 pm

Still haven't caught up, but posting.on phone before driving out-

On worcej, that big tut-tutting post about almost killing Chaqa almost reads as town because of how weird and unauthentic it is. Just saying "Y'all almost killed cop, dumbasses!" Gets the point across, but with how big it was, it stuck in my head, over and above the... Are we at 10000 yet? God damn.

Not saying it's impossible, but because it read to me as weird, and also had that frustrated tone, I'd say it's either town Worcej who thinks Chaqa is cop, or scum worcej who knows Chaqa is town, and got frustrated with the town play. Really doubt you post that, even in a no flip game, if both are scum
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#4307 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:42 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:34 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:29 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:42 am


The cop should only claim when absolutely necessary with a factional RB. The timing of Chaqa's claim suggests he cared more about not getting DKed than getting scans in.
A daykilled cop can’t get scans in… are you okay, Bozo?
You claimed cop with 8 minutes left when you were up by only 1 vote, and I do not know if you could have seen my vote that put you up by 1, so you probably claimed when you saw the vote tied. That is giving up early on any chance of getting scans in.
I can’t remember exactly when I saw what vote but I do remember I waited til I was the lead wagon.

The bot doesn’t tell the story. The momentum was hardcore swinging against me, so i claimed.
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#4308 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pm

worcej’s outburst is extremely normal for him and is a big reason I’m town reading him.
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#4309 Post by Vecna » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:46 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:34 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:29 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:42 am


The cop should only claim when absolutely necessary with a factional RB. The timing of Chaqa's claim suggests he cared more about not getting DKed than getting scans in.
A daykilled cop can’t get scans in… are you okay, Bozo?
You claimed cop with 8 minutes left when you were up by only 1 vote, and I do not know if you could have seen my vote that put you up by 1, so you probably claimed when you saw the vote tied. That is giving up early on any chance of getting scans in.
Is your perception that town or mafia are more likely to claim in the last 2 minutes?

What strategic reasoning do you think explains the difference?
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#4310 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:51 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:28 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:06 am
President Eden wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:46 am

No point, it would be trivial to remake it, and by necessity it could just be a screenshot from an earlier time, or edited to look like one.

I kind of doubt you'd actually go to the effort of faking a screenshot, but you could, and I also think this is borderline so I'd rather not make reading you about something like that.

I acknowledge it's a silly thing to press anyway, it just caught my attention.
Chaqa saying he was ready for a claim 6 hours before EOD is less towny than he thinks. What cop plans to claim? What was he going to do if someone else had claimed cop?
A cop who has absolutely zero faith in the skills of his fellow town.

Which is not at all out of character for me.
Hmm...I don't think that disparaging your teammates is as good a look as you think it is. Here's another episode of "old man has a story":

Many many years ago when I was a young and arrogant hot shot learning to play tournament bridge, my partner and I were going through a rough patch in trusting each other.

It came to a head when on one hand I was sitting there steaming while he was thinking forever. "Play a club fuckface," I thought. "Why the fuck are you thinking, it's sooooo obvious to play a club. Play a club, play a club, any club, play a club. Stop thinking and PLAY A CLUB!!"

After a minute or two, he finally played a diamond. I quickly and furiously played the rest of the hand and then exploded, "Why the fuck didn't you play a club?!" He responded: "I would have if I HAD ANY!!"

The lesson was: trust your teammate to be trying their best. Nobody WANTS to play badly. So when he played a diamond I should have been thinking, "What does he know that I don't? Does he not have any clubs? I hadn't considered that?" Before it even came to a decision point I should have been thinking, "What problems is my teammate going to have because he has different information? How can I make his life easier to play well?"

We ended up not playing together again for a month to calm down. Went on to win a national tournament together the following year, including coming back in the semi-finals down a lot after each of us screwed up in major ways.

So...the lessons you can learn from my mistakes so you don't need to make them:

1) Respect your teammates; see them for who they are, and support them.
2) Just because your teammates err, doesn't mean you should. Figure out how to help them, and figure out what they know and are thinking that maybe you don't know.
3) Being proud of playing badly, and thinking it makes you superior isn't a good look.
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#4311 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:54 pm

Doom427 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:40 pm
Still haven't caught up, but posting.on phone before driving out-

On worcej, that big tut-tutting post about almost killing Chaqa almost reads as town because of how weird and unauthentic it is. Just saying "Y'all almost killed cop, dumbasses!" Gets the point across, but with how big it was, it stuck in my head, over and above the... Are we at 10000 yet? God damn.

Not saying it's impossible, but because it read to me as weird, and also had that frustrated tone, I'd say it's either town Worcej who thinks Chaqa is cop, or scum worcej who knows Chaqa is town, and got frustrated with the town play. Really doubt you post that, even in a no flip game, if both are scum
Thank you for bringing that up:
worcej wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:13 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:00 pm
worcej wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:59 pm
wrong again.
Oh look at you mr lurking EoD
Do you know what a job is? EOD is @ 3:00 PM for me. I have meetings where I cannot be around explicitly play exactly how you want. I was watching via my cell under the table so that my damn boss didn't get pissed at me :razz:

Honestly - I hope scum do us a favor and kill you tonight. You're grinding my gears with your play style right now.

Also - well done all you 'super smart scum hunting people' who wanted to play the game instead of let mechanics drive the game - you forced the cop to claim. Top-notch scum hunting by the likes of you incredibly 'skilled' players this time around. For all the negativity that gets talked about our ability to scum hunt, you all contribute to that bad opinion with your egotistical methodologies.

Can you 'skilled players' take a moment to reflect on your absolutely horrible play and check your egos at the door this next phase?

Rant over. Time to go finish work so that I can gtfh.
It is much more common for a player claiming cop to avoid the D1 DK to be scum than the real cop, in this case 4 times more likely based just on random chance, yet worcej's says "you forced the cop to claim" in his first D2 post (less than a minute into D2). I think this is a scum slip by worcej, who was anxious to point out that his no vote suggestion would have prevented the cop from having the claim, when a town reaction would have been to think that Chaqa was likely scum fake claiming.
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#4312 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:55 pm

Lmao bunny, I’m not the one who played badly by being outed as cop by people who have 1,000 different theories on how I play as scum which clearly aren’t right simply by the fact I am town this game.
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#4313 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:57 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pm
worcej’s outburst is extremely normal for him and is a big reason I’m town reading him.
Except that he assumed you were the real cop, which there was no reason for town to do.
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#4314 Post by kgray » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:58 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:57 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pm
worcej’s outburst is extremely normal for him and is a big reason I’m town reading him.
Except that he assumed you were the real cop, which there was no reason for town to do.
I believed Chaqa was the real cop, fwiw
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#4315 Post by Chaqa » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:58 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:57 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pm
worcej’s outburst is extremely normal for him and is a big reason I’m town reading him.
Except that he assumed you were the real cop, which there was no reason for town to do.
I seriously can’t wirh you people right now

I’ll be back in a few hours
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#4316 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:00 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:55 pm
Lmao bunny, I’m not the one who played badly by being outed as cop by people who have 1,000 different theories on how I play as scum which clearly aren’t right simply by the fact I am town this game.
Yeah...see...I think you should read the post again and think about the lesson.
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#4317 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:01 pm

Vecna wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:46 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:34 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:29 pm


A daykilled cop can’t get scans in… are you okay, Bozo?
You claimed cop with 8 minutes left when you were up by only 1 vote, and I do not know if you could have seen my vote that put you up by 1, so you probably claimed when you saw the vote tied. That is giving up early on any chance of getting scans in.
Is your perception that town or mafia are more likely to claim in the last 2 minutes?

What strategic reasoning do you think explains the difference?
That is too general a question to answer, it depends on the circumstances. In this case, with a factional RB, the cop knows that if they have to claim, their cop role is useless, so I think mafia would be quicker to claim than the real cop.

However, I think the post Doom brought up points to worcej being scum and Chaqa being the real cop.
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#4318 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:02 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:00 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:55 pm
Lmao bunny, I’m not the one who played badly by being outed as cop by people who have 1,000 different theories on how I play as scum which clearly aren’t right simply by the fact I am town this game.
Yeah...see...I think you should read the post again and think about the lesson.
But in case that doesn't help: If you think 6 hours ahead of time that your teammates are going to err, DON'T preemptively plan for them to err so you can gloat; preemptively figure out how to help them.

Yes, winning the aftergame argument is fun, but if your team screws up and you saw it coming, it's on you for not trying to help them.
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#4319 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:02 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:56 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:46 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:20 am


I have gone back to the last 4 games where he was scum that I was in, and he scum read me early in every game. Obviously when he is scum his reasons are going to be fabricated, but I think this is an obvious pattern.
That is a partial explanation of 1 person who's not even on your wagon. This is a total crap argument
Could you explain why you are voting for me again? It it only the scum reads thing?
Essentially. You have been playing a reactive game unlike the active bozo that I'm used to as town.
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#4320 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:02 pm

kgray wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:58 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:57 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pm
worcej’s outburst is extremely normal for him and is a big reason I’m town reading him.
Except that he assumed you were the real cop, which there was no reason for town to do.
I believed Chaqa was the real cop, fwiw
Why? Scum up for the D1 DK almost always claim cop if there is one.
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